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Posted by Cynthia on 11-24-2010 03:20 AM:

new entry rules...

I just read these and for the most part it wont affect me. however, this one will & maybe others as well:

Non-Updated Category Easy Entry™ Card after having been notified by UKC – Once notified (meaning they have been sent their dogs Degree and updated Easy Entry™ Card) an owner must submit that updated Easy Entry™ Card to entry takers. If not yet notified they may continue using the previous category’s Easy Entry™ Card and are not required to enter as “Conditional”. Once notified, but do not present that current Easy Entry™ Card, they must enter the dog as “Conditional Entry”.

I have one card, co-owner or handler, has another card, usually the previous one (reg vs ch vs grch). it has always been the responsibility of the person entering the dog to make sure dog is entered in the correct class. so now I will be paying an extra $5 because UKC or the judge cant believe me when I say "she's a CH not registered" any longer????

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Posted by pegjerben on 11-24-2010 03:25 AM:

I had a problem with that one too. Also, how is the judge/entry taker going to know if you have the wrong card or you just haven't received the new one yet?

The rules clearly state it is the responsibility of the owner/handler to make sure their dog is in the right class.

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 11-24-2010 02:11 PM:

Cynthia,

Nothing will change in the new policy/rule when it comes to dogs moving up a category. Yes, it is the handlers responsibility to enter and show the dog in the correct class. But that has nothing to do with the papers or card required to enter the dog in the event.

Using a scenario as you suggested where your handler has a "previous category" card; that entry, under current rules, may not be accepted! That card must be current with one exception. That exception is where you just recently finished the dog to Champion but have not yet received the updated card from UKC. Otherwise, that previous category card is no good and may not be accepted.

Now with the new rule effective January 1st, that entry could be accepted as a conditional whereas in the past it was not acceptable. The handler showing the previous category card would do nothing more than provide accurate information to entry takers.

Peggi,

How is the judge/entry taker going to know? Probably would need to rely on the "honor system" and trust the individual is being truthful. ??

Posted by mucket on 11-24-2010 04:21 PM:

Wow,I have used old cards to enter many dogs an always just said "hey he's nitech now an that was that!"so now i cant do that anymore without paying the five dollars?am i correct?

Am i also correct in saying that the moh should not have accepted my entry in the past because it wasn't the just titled scenario as much as the owner gave "me" the handler the old card instead of the current.

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 11-24-2010 06:46 PM:

Eric,

You are correct on both accounts. I think that may be what Cynthia was suggesting that her handler never had any issues with such. If that was the case then the officials were not upholding the entry rules.

Posted by Cynthia on 11-24-2010 11:41 PM:

so in order to stay "correct w/in the rules" we will need 2 currently titled cards? of which having to pay $7 for the extra one?

some of these changes are closely similar to another KC, one of which does not charge for duplicate cards. yes they are thinner and not hard plastic, but its still a duplicate.

can something be looked at in that area???

thanks Allen for the info. guess there have been tons of dogs entered "illegally"...

Posted by Pat Bizich on 11-25-2010 01:13 AM:

Along with this discussion on the new entry rules I have a question .It is stated that you may enter a dog conditionally if you have neither the registration or Easy entry card for an additional $ 5.00 fee.It also states that the person entering the dog is responsible for making sure that all the imformation is correct.I have not and cannot memorize all my dogs UKC #'s. So am I correct in believing that a dog may be entered anyway and the $ 5.00 covers additional work incurred in recording at UKC ?

Posted by Dale Young on 11-25-2010 02:08 PM:

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Originally posted by Pat Bizich
Along with this discussion on the new entry rules I have a question .It is stated that you may enter a dog conditionally if you have neither the registration or Easy entry card for an additional $ 5.00 fee.It also states that the person entering the dog is responsible for making sure that all the imformation is correct.I have not and cannot memorize all my dogs UKC #'s. So am I correct in believing that a dog may be entered anyway and the $ 5.00 covers additional work incurred in recording at UKC ?

I sure hope so. With any of my own dogs I'm sure I could put down everything except the number. Sure I could write them down somewhere but thats why I carry the cards in my wallet and leave the papers in a safer place.

Posted by john Duemmer on 11-25-2010 02:37 PM:

Seems to me almost everone has a cell phone these days, pretty simple to just call home and say HONEY grab them dog papers and read me that long number LOL PROBLEM SOVED. 5 bucks is a bargin compared to not being able to hunt.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-25-2010 02:41 PM:

Enter your dog "conditionally" and leave the # blank. Call the MOH the next day and give him your dog's # to put on the report.

Posted by Autumn Clements on 11-25-2010 03:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by mucket
Wow,I have used old cards to enter many dogs an always just said "hey he's nitech now an that was that!"so now i cant do that anymore without paying the five dollars?am i correct?

Am i also correct in saying that the moh should not have accepted my entry in the past because it wasn't the just titled scenario as much as the owner gave "me" the handler the old card instead of the current.

I've done the samething when handling dogs for others I have the easy entry card and put a title on the dog and don't always bother getting the updated card from them, that way then both of us have one.
Only thing I need the easy entry card for most times is the UKC # if I don't remember it and to give the MOH/BSJ.

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Posted by Penny Jessup on 11-25-2010 03:31 PM:

When I saw the new announcement, I was hopeful the entry process would be simplified. But, I think it's just added confusion.

Would be nice if you didn't even have to have the card just the dog's number....yes, I carry mine and they are a God send as I can't remember all the dogs' numbers. I would STILL CARRY my entry cards even if you didn't have to have them. But, that number is what's important for the correct dog to get it's championship points.

But, I'm wondering why that little entry card is such an important concern with the coonhounds when it's not with other UKC events.

I entered an UKC conformation show earlier this year. Like a good little soldier, I had my form filled out and my entry card ready and handed them both to the lady. She politely handed my entry card right back WITHOUT EVEN LOOKING AT IT! I was surprised. I commented on it and said, "hmm, when you show coonhound shows, you HAVE to show the easy entry card or you don't show, period!"

She was aware of this....which surprised me cause sometimes the conformation folks are NOT familiar with the coonhound shows....and simply replied, "Yeah, well here we trust you to get the number right. You mess it up and it's on you."

It's just a different mind set and it places the total responsibility on the owner or handler without an entry taker having to double check that you've transcribed the number and information correctly.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 11-25-2010 04:35 PM:

the biggest differnce i have seen is you know longer
need a sign letter as handler.we could go back to
those days give it chance we can always change it
back entering a dog has never been a problem will
maybe the fee.

Posted by jculler8 on 11-25-2010 07:46 PM:

I just think this is a LOAD of CRAP! From top to bottom. Why is a dang "updated" card at that such a big deal? Like Penny said, isn't it the handlers responsibility to KNOW the numbers.

For instance, I have hunted my share of PKC events in which there was A LOT more on the line and all I needed was my dog's CALL NAME and correct NUMBERS.

I simply keep them all stored in my cell phone and I have NEVER seen a problem at these events done in this fashion! That there is a CONVENIENCE!

If anything at all, and UKC can claim what they want, but this is nothing more than a money making tactic!

Allen, you can say it is a convenience to the hunters all you want, but you know as well as everyone else that hunts, that it is the handlers RESPONSIBILITY to have the information on hand upon entry and this is nothing more than a way to make money for the registry and take money out of the hunter's pockets!

If you wanted to make things CONVENIENT, you guys might want to simply change it to where it is ALL based on the HONOR system and cards are no longer needed!

Just about EVERYONE has a cell phone these days and can text ALL of their dog's numbers to themselves or even store it as a note in their phone and completely do away with the cards and updated cards!

Where exactly are all of these extra fees that UKC takes in going?

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Posted by calblu on 11-25-2010 08:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Penny Jessup
When I saw the new announcement, I was hopeful the entry process would be simplified. But, I think it's just added confusion.

Agreed! I was still being brought handler letters this year and that was done away with how long ago now?

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Posted by Cynthia on 11-25-2010 11:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
Seems to me almost everone has a cell phone these days, pretty simple to just call home and say HONEY grab them dog papers and read me that long number LOL PROBLEM SOVED. 5 bucks is a bargin compared to not being able to hunt.

good for some, but I dont have that huney to call...if I left mine at home, Im sol.... oh well, guess we'll just have to wait and see.

also, the $5, do we get it back if everything is on the up & up?

Posted by john Duemmer on 11-26-2010 12:34 AM:

Ever hear that old expression.... You people would bitch if they hng ya with a new rope......

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Posted by Two Toes on 11-26-2010 02:37 AM:

"YEP"

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
Ever hear that old expression.... You people would bitch if they hng ya with a new rope......

I would think that would depend on if we gota buy the rope which it seem's as though we will ?

Jack the fee's up then more way's to JACK THE FEE'S UP. The other kennel club or clubs don't give a rats about the cards like has been stated.

Any thing to bring in more revenue & take more outa our pockets. I sent in a mess of papers & 'bout had the big one over the cost of everything now.

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Posted by bluefrost316 on 11-26-2010 02:37 AM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Ever hear that old expression.... You people would bitch if they hng ya with a new rope......

Thats Funny right there ! I don't care who you are !!!

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Posted by Dale Young on 11-26-2010 02:32 PM:

When it's all said and done I'll just keep playing like I always have with card in hand and it will be zero change for me.

Seems like if you once pay for the duplicate card UKC could update both cards free like they do the original.

Posted by Ricochet17 on 11-26-2010 03:04 PM:

Dale that would be to simple I'm afraid.

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 12-02-2010 05:41 PM:

When I saw the new announcement, I was hopeful the entry process would be simplified. But, I think it's just added confusion.

Penny, I think it will actually be quite simple. Maybe we haven't explained it well enough and lends to the confusion???

I've added some more clarifications for the January Issue Advisor Columns.

For those suggesting its nothing more than a money scheme, I wanna say; K, let's go back to the old days. "Your entry is no good here. Go home. Sorry."

Try to help out a potential customer and yet some take it over the top. Nice. Seems like too many folks expect service for free these days. What's this world coming to?

Posted by jculler8 on 12-02-2010 10:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Allen / UKC

For those suggesting its nothing more than a money scheme, I wanna say; K, let's go back to the old days. "Your entry is no good here. Go home. Sorry."

Try to help out a potential customer and yet some take it over the top. Nice. Seems like too many folks expect service for free these days. What's this world coming to?

K. It won't take me a week to respond.

Not a $ scheme? Then where's the extra $5 going? Maybe I'm missing the point since I haven't been able to read the JANUARY advisor column

A hunter that gets turned away because they forgot their entry card; hunter and UKC loses out. Especially UKC bc they lose the entry fee money. Now... you forget your card, you throw in an EXTRA $5 on TOP of the ENTRY FEE?

Allen, you aren't trying to be comical in your hyprocritism are you?

Posted by Penny Jessup on 12-03-2010 02:49 AM:

Thanks Allen. Maybe I've just not given it enough thought.

I should say "thanks" cause at least this will allow entry even without the card. I'm sure we all have stories about traveling long distances and not being able to enter because of a lost or forgotten card.

I recall my late husband Wayne dropping his wallet in the bathroom before leaving for an RQE in OH. He'd left 3 hours earlier and when I called to ask if he had a duplicate card on him, he said, "no, why" and when I told him I had his wallet.....after letting a string of swearing that would make a sailor blush, he had no choice but to turn around and come home cause he knew he couldn't hunt. I think he was about 30 mi from club at the time.

Then, there's the time Rick Kerns and Christina made an all night run from Georgia State back to Kentucky after her easy entry card. All because she'd mistakenly grabbed the wrong card. She didn't realize it til she was signing up for a show on Friday and then had no choice but to go back if she wanted to show on Saturday. She was trying to win the Plott breed of the Purina Show Race with her Liberty Bell female. That was a few years ago back when Amber Bradford was running Felony....and won it in the end I believe that year.

Posted by on 12-03-2010 05:59 PM:

Seems to be it would be as simple as saying, it is the handler's responsibility to assure the registration # used is correct. If not, I can see UKC charging a $5 fee to get it corrected if it is recorded wrong.

Other than that, its seems like once again UKC has just made it more confusing.

I hate to hear about people getting turned away at event because they forgot they're entry card, but at some point people just need to take the responsibility for themselves.
The other registries don't require a card, and they don't charge a fee. It is the handler's responsibility to assure the numbers are correct. Even if they filled out they're slip correctly and the HD misreads it when doing the report, it is the handler's responsibility... as it should be.

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