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Posted by Adam Reynolds on 10-07-2009 03:41 PM:

Rabbies shot each year?

I give one to the hunting dogs every year and have for several years now. Whats the opinion on this I know several people do and some dont. Just curious I reckon.

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 10-07-2009 03:56 PM:

I can tell you this "It take 3 Rabies Shots to Get a Full Titer"

Give your First Shot at 4 months old, Second Shot 120 Days Later and the Third 120 days Later.. Then every 2 years

Its hard to Believe that their are many Dogs and Hounds that don't have a Full Min. Titer To Rabies.

I sent one to Norway and the Hound failed His First Testing and that was After 2 Rabies Shots

This is a Failed Titer Test as you can see He only had a .29 and need a .5 to pass

This was His Passing Titer and you can See that the 3rd shot reall locked in and took him well over 3.0 titer

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Posted by s/s on 10-07-2009 04:24 PM:

FINALLY !!!!!!
Something useful and interesting on here to learn about !!

I have never heard of this being tested before. We have always been told at what age to give pups their rabbies shot, but never that it had to be followed up in a series for them to be protected.

So, yeah, you are so right Steve! I would say that mine where not totally protected either!

Thing is, I tried to buy the rabbies vaccine once before to give my own for the hunting dogs. It could not be sold to me in our state, because of the state laws here. So, I guess if I wanted to make sure that they were all protected properly then I would have to find someone that could buy it and get them to order it...

Hmmm...This is something to talk to the vet about !! LOL

Posted by blues07 on 10-07-2009 04:27 PM:

well were i live u have to give it every year if u dont u can get ur dog taken away but ive alwats done it at 3 months and then at a year and then every year after that

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Posted by Cleo on 10-07-2009 04:32 PM:

I have never heard of this either. I do vac every year, but was told it wasn't necessary but every two years~mind you these hounds are not hunted, but are kept outside.

Please let us know what this is about!

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Posted by s/s on 10-07-2009 04:46 PM:

Our laws also require every year. The first at 3 or 4 months...I forget which is correct right at the moment...Then every year after that....So this meaning that, the shot in the middle has been over looked. Something to check into for sure!

Posted by on 10-07-2009 04:52 PM:

In Indiana you can give the one year or the three year. The first shot must be a one year, after that you can give the 3 year. I give my pups there first at 6 months then a 3 year the following year and every 3 years thereafter. That is what the law in Indiana requires.

Posted by on 10-07-2009 05:21 PM:

Every year here, and has to be given by a license vet. If you get checked you have to show proof. So i hang my tags on the gate and keep up with the reciept.

Posted by Cliff Williams on 10-07-2009 05:27 PM:

knowledge is power

Check out this link.....

http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog4dogs/...ccination-laws/

There is no need for annual rabies shots. But I'm on the fence about titer testing as I've been told that many things factor into these tests.....diet.....dog condition on the testing day, condition of the sample....etc.

Steve, have you ever done more than one titer on a paticular dog like a couple weeks later? Just curious.....I have not, but I also have a Vet that does not like the titer testing.

I agree...this is an interesting thread.

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Posted by s/s on 10-07-2009 05:32 PM:

I knew that a yearly was not needed as far as protecting the dog...But, if the law says you better, then you better, around here anyways......I think it stinks to have to give them shots that they do not need, but what else do ya do when the county or state government wants that income. They will get it or get your dogs...Bull crap to me !

Posted by s/s on 10-07-2009 05:40 PM:

Around here I can go to the county north of us and pay a flat $8 bucks for shot, tags and the all mighty certificate that you had better keep on file......Or I can go south and pay double or more for the same thing.....Memphis, Shelby County charges you different rates depending on if your dog is intact or not. Now that could get pricey! I don't even know how much our county charges. I heard $10 and $12, not sure what is correct. My vet is a farm vet in the county north of us and covers several counties in West Tenn.. Good thing they offer our county tags and registration. $8 bucks is much easier to shuck out when you have multiple dogs.

Posted by coonhoundbabe on 10-07-2009 05:44 PM:

I will say from my point working in a Vet Clinic and by the State of Mo. You have to Vax every ever for Rabies.. If you dont Vax every year in the State of Mo. and your dog bites someone they can DEMAND for it to be Euth right then. I do mine every year just to be safe.

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Posted by s/s on 10-07-2009 05:46 PM:

Re: knowledge is power

quote:
Originally posted by Cliff Williams
Check out this link.....

http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog4dogs/...ccination-laws/

Cliff Williams

THANKS FOR THAT LINK....This is a must read....

I had been told by my vet about it not being medically neccessary, but he never said anything about this titter thing. Him being a farm vet, he shares lots of info with me to help me out on things that I can do myself at home...Unlike the doggy and kitty vets in the city.

Posted by Larry Atherton on 10-07-2009 06:03 PM:

What Jim said also applies to Michigan. Fact is many of these vaccinations are unnecessary. They are not based on scientific fact but fear of rabies or other diseases.

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Posted by Cleo on 10-07-2009 06:15 PM:

I wish they had more clinics in our area.

The NC folks have them at some of thier hunts and shows.
I think this is a wonderful idea~altho I am sure it is hard to get vets to cooperate.
I really want to get chips put in mine as well. Here, if a dog is picked up and they have no ID on them, they are put down within hours.

I did not post this to be neg of the way other states and clubs orginize thier business.

Posted by Adam Reynolds on 10-07-2009 07:11 PM:

Here in Va its a 1 yr shot to start them and then supposed to be every 3 years by a vet to be legal. We do vaccinate once a year to be safe. Interesting Magestic TH. I have never heard that before.

Posted by coon's age on 10-07-2009 07:28 PM:

We get

our from animal control,they come give the shots,cost 5 dollars per.At the same time were digging for info from them what they have heard.The two that come are good people and they always compplimenting our hounds,and most of them hunt, but,I STILL FEEL UNEASY LETTING THEM COME.Only one year shot though.A vet charges in this area 14 to 20 a shot.I guess from living in a resort, retirement area has its higher cost,but no pay back.

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 10-07-2009 07:32 PM:

Re: knowledge is power

quote:
Originally posted by Cliff Williams
Check out this link.....

http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog4dogs/...ccination-laws/

There is no need for annual rabies shots. But I'm on the fence about titer testing as I've been told that many things factor into these tests.....diet.....dog condition on the testing day, condition of the sample....etc.

Steve, have you ever done more than one titer on a paticular dog like a couple weeks later? Just curious.....I have not, but I also have a Vet that does not like the titer testing.

I agree...this is an interesting thread.

Cliff Williams

Cliff that Titer Test is for International Shipping and it Cost $128 ea time ... and a Min. wait time of 120 days between Shots Given and testing. And is also the Time Require for the Rabies Vac. to Settle in the Imune System

But you could be on to something their .. Not many do the Test and their are only 2 in the US that are Cirt. for Shipping to Norway.

Ever scense this Happened I have been trying to Keep to the 120 Days "The Faster you Can Get the Rabies Titer up to Required Levels the Safer it is for Exposure to Rabies"

Our Vet Changed Her whole way of thinking and the way She gives Rabies Shots Now .. "She Had No Idea that It Would Be that Hard to Pass The Test"

She had given "Pac's" his First Shot at 3-1/2 months old then at 14 months old ...

We Still Don't Know What Titer Level would Actual Protect a Dog from a Radom Bite !! May a Titer of only .25 would be Enough

But Blood Checked Under a MicroScope Being Exposed to a Full Dose of Live Rabies Require a Titer of no less than .44 .. To Kill it

By What I was told by U of K

Posted by Laurie Soutar on 10-07-2009 08:48 PM:

There is currently a very large study working towards empirical testing of rabies vaccine - google the 'Rabies Challenge Fund' it has been ongoing for several years, and has several more to go.
Measuring titers is a fairly new science, but new evidence is emerging that a titers level is pretty useless - there have been a number of cases where dogs with a high titer level to a particular disease (the titers is a measure of the immune systems antibodies to a disease) actually got the disease anyway.
One of the current trends in vaccinating is to test titers, and only vaccinate if the dog has a low titers level, however it is becoming apparent that a dog's titers level is not necessarily a good indication of his ability to withstand a disease challenge.
Laurie

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 10-07-2009 09:07 PM:

Laurie all and all I think your right !! Safer than Sorry I guess But I run into a Rabid Coon at least once a year and 3-4 With distemper ..

Norway and other Northeastern Atlantic Countries have never had any reported Rabies .. So they are very strict on Imports..

Japan is Much easier to ship too I'am finding out.. May have some headed that way to the Northern Japanese Islands ..
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Posted by Emily on 10-07-2009 09:34 PM:

In NY, after the initial shots, you have the choice of one-year or three-year shots. You need a vet certificate saying what was given. Some pet people get waivers to go for titers instead, but that can get expensive fast. The ones that get titers tend to be health-food types that are worried about over-vaccination. My vet likes me to give 3-year dose every 2 years, knowing that I hunt raccoons and they are a rabies carrier.

Steve, the rabies titer may have come out weird in your hounds because they are big and grow very fast as pups. The dosage is calculated by weight. Your pups probably jump weight classes pretty frequently in their first year! Just guessing, but it is probably very hard to estimate what you pups will weigh at 9 mos when they are 3 mos...

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Posted by Cliff Williams on 10-07-2009 09:51 PM:

reading material

Here's a link for those that really like reading!

http://www.dogshowjournal.com/AURA/vaccinate.htm

For those of you in states that are still demanding yearly rabies vaccines, you might start by going to your State Dept. of Livestock and appeal to the Vet at the top of the heap. Let him or her know how concerned you are about this issue. Who knows? Maybe you'll do some networking and find someone that can actually have an effect on the standards for your area.

I once got help from a rather famous State Vet named Marc Mattix. I had a search dog with very odd lab results and a very odd form of luekemia. Mr. Mattix saw to it that samples were sent to the Dept. of Defense in D.C. because he was a service dog. They ran a barrage of tests and never charged me a dime. All the news was bad, and the dog was lost at 5 years old....but....I made a contact there for life!

Maybe some of you can to, if you'll follow through.

Cliff Williams

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 10-07-2009 10:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Emily
In NY, after the initial shots, you have the choice of one-year or three-year shots. You need a vet certificate saying what was given. Some pet people get waivers to go for titers instead, but that can get expensive fast. The ones that get titers tend to be health-food types that are worried about over-vaccination. My vet likes me to give 3-year dose every 2 years, knowing that I hunt raccoons and they are a rabies carrier.

Steve, the rabies titer may have come out weird in your hounds because they are big and grow very fast as pups. The dosage is calculated by weight. Your pups probably jump weight classes pretty frequently in their first year! Just guessing, but it is probably very hard to estimate what you pups will weigh at 9 mos when they are 3 mos...

Weight Could be an Issue in the Dosage and I will Check on that !!

I just got some brand new 5 way Puppy shots box of 25 dosages and they Messured out to be a bit over 1-1/2 cc usualy most all are only 1cc dosage .. Kinda wondering about that !!

I have had 2 SAR Fokes that bought pups and They did not want the Pups to have ANY Vac. Period ...

I'am in kinda of between a Rut and a Hard space on Selling Pups overseas ..

The absalute earlest I could send a Pup is at 8-1/2 to 9 Months old if They Could Pass the test at 8-1/2 Months . If they don't pass I have to keep them another 120 days before Retesting...
14 months old Shipping .....

The next Pup I may double up on the Shots from Different souces of Vac Shots .. Or one Documented and give one myself a month later ... But that would be Breaking the Rules !!

Posted by larrypoe on 10-07-2009 10:19 PM:

Im betting 99.9% of not only the people on here but the public in general, have absolutely no clue what a titer level is.

I wouldnt either, had I not been responsible for not only the collection of blood samples and giving all vaccinations to a 3800 sow farm, but was responsible for reading those tests and setting up vaccinations schedules with the company vet and vaccine producer (Intervet).

That was my job for 8 years, and I expected to know what I (and they) were talking about when they came by or called. I spent those 8 years getting an education in pathology from some of the best in the country.

There are several ways to raise the titer level in a subject, 2 major ones are exposure to the disease and vaccinations. In essence when giving a vaccination, you are exposing to the disease in a way that the bodys immune system can react (and therefor build up immunity) with less risk of "catching" the disease.

Think of it as getting just a minor case of chicken pox. Most are immune from then on. Your body beats the disease and multiplies the antibodies to it to a level where you are not at risk again.

Then there are modified live viruses. Think of back in the day of small pox. Milk maids, who milked by hand and were exposed to cow pox, were immune to small pox. The same antibodies that beat the cowpox immunized them against small pox.

Titer levels are a decent way to check the effectiveness of an immunization schedules, but there not the holy grail. 2 subjects given the same vaccinations at the same times can and will have major swings in titer levels. No 2 immune systems are alike.

A high titer level can also mean more exposure to the same disease.

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 10-07-2009 10:56 PM:

Gezz OH Flip Larry thats ALOT of Little Piggies !!!!

You guys must of carried a whole Back Pack of Vaccine to go thru that bunch ..

I bet you learned Alot doing that Job ..

Did you all AI all the Sows ??

We have Turkey Farms Here and They have the Tom Turkey Milking Farms and the Hen Laying Farms .. Nearly 5000 turkey per House 600' long X 60' wide ..

Raisin Piggies on that kinda Scale would be something to See !!!

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