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Question on Muscle

I just had a question about muscling up dogs. First of all what are some ways that I can put some muscle on my dogs, just wondering a few different ways I could do it. And when im trying to muscle them up do I need to feed more? Currently I feed 2 scoops per dog and they look okay, but they aren't very muscular at all. Right now I don't get to hunt very often, so I have just been taking them on some walks around the neighborhood and that just seems like its not getting them anywhere. Anyone have any tips for me?

Any advice is appreciated. THANKS!!

Are you familiar with a "KEEP".

Nope ... what is it?

we would put our fox dogs on a horse walker letem go for a couple hours every other day, they would have more muscles rippling than a body builder.

We take ours for long bike rides up and down hills. Works well, keeps em tired too.

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if you are not showing the dog run him with a 4 wheeler. we did that and it really puts the musle on them but it will also break down their feet

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Originally posted by king_donk-o
I just had a question about muscling up dogs. First of all what are some ways that I can put some muscle on my dogs, just wondering a few different ways I could do it. And when im trying to muscle them up do I need to feed more? Currently I feed 2 scoops per dog and they look okay, but they aren't very muscular at all. Right now I don't get to hunt very often, so I have just been taking them on some walks around the neighborhood and that just seems like its not getting them anywhere. Anyone have any tips for me?

Any advice is appreciated. THANKS!!

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its called hills, a four=wheeler, and 5th gear. that is what muscles up my dogs while not huntin. works wonders. i have people that can tell you because they seen my dog's muscles.

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Originally posted by Skyward
You will only be able to obtain what the dogs genetics allow. Genes set the parameters for performance. My question would be, what relation do you want the extra muscle to have relative to performance? A coondog doesn't achieve an elevated level of performance by being bulky and muscular. Additional muscle above and beyond what is needed for their primary function will actually hinder their performance. A coondog survives more on endurance than they do power. Extra muscle is in direct contrast to endurance. If your hounds are running and treeing with excess "slobber", it means one of three things, your dog is blowing hot, your dog is out of shape or your dog is burning gut fat like there is no tomorrow. Any and all three means you can do better. Dogwhisper makes reference to something near and dear to me for almost 20 years. Conditioning dogs to their absolute peak condition is probably my most favorite aspect of performance dogs. Learning the concepts and principles is key. Nutrition, work, rest, recovery, and biochemistry is unique to every dog. Following a written word is ok but learning the information and applying it daily will set you apart from the $25
dollar a bag feeders.

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hey theres different aspects to look at one is what do you feed you said you feed two scoops a day well if i feed that i would have to buy a bigger truck to haul mine , any way i feed purina pro plan peformance i have a friend that switched to exceed is sold at sams club here and his is doing well on it feed makes a difference in how your dog stays in condition i hunt and show i own a world show champion and two grand nite hunting dogs i feed 2 cups of perfofmance a day per dog and they look great theres a lot of good feed some is better but cost more you feed a lot less of it so its about the same its all in what you want your dog to look like i hunt and run my dogs 3 to 5 times a week but when i run them they run 8 to 10 miles beside my truck or swim them some its hard to say swiming just give them all you think they can take i hunt at least three nights per week excrise and correct feed keeps muscle and looks hope i was a help .

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how much is 2 scoops.2scoop shovels,2butter bowls

I feed two Measuring Cup size scoops... 1 cup sizes. So 2 cups of food.

Fueling a performance dog is a rather in-depth and lengthy subject. If you are feeding something that the majority on here feed, you can do better. Feeding at the correct time is also crucial for recovery and muscle repair. Performing at certain stages of the dogs metabolism is also important. Very few on here understand or recognize the importance of this. The individual ingredients are what provide the horsepower to the dogs biochemistry and enable them to perform at their peak. If an owner has never seen their dog at its true peak, they will never know what it is nor how to achieve it, let alone the process involved. They generally will claim that "What I am feeding now has always worked." or will make statements to the effect of solid stools, dark stools, etc. etc. Its basically proof that they have never graduated elementary school when it comes to the topic of nutrition for a performance dog. I am sure their intentions are good but like I said, you can't fault them for not knowing what they don't know.

i use automatic feeders for Cutter and Traveller. Dixie, Jewel, and my Siberian Husky gets a Purina dog food bowl full.

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Hunt them.
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Hunt them.
Scott

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1deadeye,
That Reddog is PEAKED, gorgeous.

king_donk-o
I will not explain a "KEEP" to you.
If you do your homework you will figure this one out.
Judgeing by most of the response you have gotten.
Very few on this board will have knowledge of it, or how it is applied to hounds. It's not just a mill.
Skyward has a clue.
Me, I am not typing all it entails to explain it, too much typing.
I have given you all you need to know too get started.If you succeed it will be because of you determination, if you fail it will be because you your lack of dedication.
But be sure of this, the feed your buying now ain't going too cut it.

Skyward, well what can I say A MAN after my own heart.

Thanks. Her name is Leinie. She has great running gear.
Our hunting styles didn't mesh.
I wanted a close to med. She was get DEEEEEEP dog. LOL
Sold her to T-Top kennel.
I also struggled with keeping the weight on her. Finally found a balance of meat based feed, vitamins, bloom, eggs and electrolites.
I'd switch things up in the warmer weather so she wouldn't be so hot from the feed.
Personally walking a dog won't muscle them up. It'll burn calories. But that's about it. Take them to the woods during the day if you can and let them run. If they're pets that is. They need to run to get muscled up. JMO
Good luck.
Scott

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run them 5 or 6 miles a day. RUN NOT WALK

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1deadeye that is a beautiful animal. If she hunts as good as she looks, thats a red dog that would have a home here. Staying on topic, she is about as muscled up in that picture as I'd want her. Long, lean, fast twitch muscle is where its at! king_donk-o, I leave you with this.....work them empty or near empty and feed the absolute best food that you can afford within a 30 minute window after exercise/hunting. Bulk muscle heats up quicker and stays hotter longer due to the volume of water contained in the muscle. Many owners desire more muscle without really knowing why they want it. There is a point that your dog will reach that the addition of more muscle will cease to have a positive effect on their performance, especially a hound who utilizes endurance more than strength. Keeping your dog within 2-3 pounds of this ceiling will yield you best results. However, you won't be able to maintain your dog in that range hunting them hard by feeding many of the feeds that are common on this board. They will slip into a catabolic state and begin using their own muscle tissue to sustain the level of work demanded. Which, is completely counter-productive to what you seek. Many folks will simply keep their dogs heavy and settle for a mediocre performance and never really maximize their dogs genetic potential. They miss allot of the best possible performances from their dogs and never realize it. This is where it becomes impossible to fault them for what they don't know. Anyway, good luck in your quest and if I can be of any assistance, gimme a shout. Dogwhisper, your hunch is accurate, I've peaked a few. It is amazing that nutrition and conditioning is as overlooked as it is in this neighborhood. What is more amazing is that there seems to be an almost perverse insistance on the exact opposite.

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It is amazing that nutrition and conditioning is as overlooked as it is in this neighborhood. What is more amazing is that there seems to be an almost perverse insistance on the exact opposite.

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deadeye that is a great looking hound.
Here is one in top shape (not a hound dog but well worked hound)

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I'm not amazed by either, Skyward.Few try to figure things out.That means WORK and WORKING at IT.
Easier too just watch TV or scoop feed the dog(s), and be done with it.

Chris that is a nice looking bulldog... what weight does he go at?

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