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How important is Accuracy when choosing a Stud dog?

How important is accuracy (having mr. ringtail up the tree) and what do you think should be the minimum percentage before you would breed to a hound? 90% 80% 70% %60 %50???

very Important

But I dont see accuracy bein a issue when it comes to redbones atleast in the hounds I have hunted with.

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You have to consider accuracy vs. quickness. Which is best, a 100% accurate hound that takes all night to get treed or a super quick one bark tree dog that is only 50%? I don't think that anyone wants either but somewhere inbetween.

Very well said, Richard. I was thinking the same thing. I've allways said that if a dog does'nt miss once and a while then its probally not a very quick dog to get treed. In my mind breeding is a balancing act of traits. Accuracy vs getting treed quick, cold-nosed vs hot-nosed, track vs tree. The examples go on and on but in the end its all about a balanced hound from track to tree.
What I look for in my mutts is a little bit of everything. They must be fairly accurate and quick to get treed being decisive about it and not just taking thier time settling into a tree. I want them to be medium-nosed so they can still take an older track, but won't fool with those tracks that would take half the night to tree. I want them running off head up when looking for a track and able to drift a good track without runnig past trees. If they open I expect them to move it fast and get treed in a timely fashion. My list of requirements goes on and on. Too much to type. Lol.
Anyhow when looking at a stud I look for what will compliment what I allready have the most and mantain the balance I'm looking for. However to answer your original question, John I'd say I want 80% or better accuracy while still being quick to get hooked.

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Well said Larry Redbones are a more accurate breed they arent like a walker lol, like richard said best to be in between all in what satisfies a man 1 mans ideal of a perfect coonhound will vary to another guys. Myself i like a good deadly accurate bawl on track chop on tree hound that doesnt blow through the country that will consistantly show you the meat. All in what some1 wishes to do with their dogs i guess cause to me you have competition dogs that tend to be more quicker to tree than there is pleasure hounds that are more accurate but slower. As long as your hound pleases you is all that matters cause they are like people every1 of em are different

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I saw this on another post thought it would fit right in to the discussion.
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Posted on the main coonhound post

I have narrowed coon hounds down to two kinds of dogs. .

1. A "HOPE" dog. While you are walking to the tree,if in your mind you are thinking "I hope he or she has a coon" you are hunting a "HOPE" dog


2.An"EXPECT" dog. While you are walking to a tree you expect to see a coon. You are hunting a "EXPECT" dog.

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Explain to me why there cant be a fairly qyick dog that doesnt miss. There out there but a lot of people believe in stayin in tgeir line of dogs. You can have quick and accurate. To many are to stubborn to hunt around .

I want super fast strike super fast track and a one bark 60% treeeeeed dog! You find me that in a red dog and ill take two ! Just saying !

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Would you rather have a 100% accurate dog that trees 1 coon in 2 hrs or a 75% accurate dog that makes 4 trees and has 3 coons in 2 hrs?

75-80% accuracy First to second stike and first to second tree.Drop out 4 times make 4 trees. Two coons, one big den tree and one slick. What would be the % of this.

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Just wondering how long

Does it take to walk 2 miles in the hills of TN or the swamps of AL??

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Re: Just wondering how long

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Does it take to walk 2 miles in the hills of TN or the swamps of AL??

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Thank you Sir---

That's why I bred the type I do. Who in their right mine what's to have a DOG go that far??? 2 hour hunt your scoring one coon

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Who in their "right" mind wants to have a DOG go that far???

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perfect dog

It seems that maybe we all need to figure out what a perfect dog really is.
Not long ago I sat in a group talking about this topic and we could not all agree on what traits make up the perfect dog. Just looking at tree style . One man said he wanted his dogs to be able to stay treed with anything, he wanted them on the wood and willing to stay there. To be right on the very edge of being called for aggressive behavior to him that was perfect treeing style.

I thought I want mine to stay treed also but to be willing to back up as far as needed and just keep barking. If the alligatoprs all want to wood mine can stand back and tlet them fight it out.

Some want a fast tree and are willing to argue for a circle when they know it's probably not there . I want the dog that has a coon everytime and you know all you have to do is keep looking.

Accurate , smart, stays out of trouble and goes hunting. Pretty hard to beat them kind.

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They are bred with heart and drive included.

From a small kennel with Big results.

If I wanted to walk threw the woods and look at tree's I could do that at night with out a dog if the meats not there 80% of the time than it needs to be culled enuff said

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Re: Re: Thank you Sir---

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Some people believe that is the type that it takes to win hunts. Whether they are "right" or not is what these threads are all about. Everyone has their own opinion. I guess that is what makes the world go round.

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Accuracy

I think we can learn from some mistakes others have made in other breeds. After reading some of the responses on here and the other thread I started; I am convinced of the following! The number 1 trait above all is for me is that they are a coondog first! If that REDDOGS only got my ringtail 50% or 60% of the time in my books that's not a coondog!!!

coondog

To me the term coondog depends on the man owning the hound.Myself first and foremost they must be able to tree rough wintertime coon. Ilike my hounds to cover whatever size patch of woods I dump them in be it 5 or 100 acres of woods .That is what Ihave to hunt and that is how Itrain mine.Own a grandson to Sawblade Fiddle that is one of the best wintertime coondogs that I have owned.Cannot hunt a hound here that blows through the country. To many roads for them to get killed on .

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Originally posted by timber hunter
some mistakes others have made in other breeds.

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Mistakes

Other breeds, I am talking about breeding out tracking ability for treeing ability. We certainly do not want to loose what we have. Most lines of redbones are accurate a few are not. We have to be careful that we don't make the same mistakes others have made!! If a dog can't run a track and tree a coon consistently by themseleves what good are they!! There comes a point where breeders have to use their God given gift, their brains and say am I breeding dogs so that their will be a good line in the future! Or do I want to breed dogs that are automatic strike dogs and automatic treedogs!

Is it all about winning so much that we would breed lying dogs? Not for me!

I am fussy and I want it all. A coondog that is accurate, that is loud that opens up quick and honest, that has lots of brains and drive, that hunts when you turn them loose and will go in deep enough to get it done! I want a hound that is a good track dog with a bawl mouth on track and a chop mouth on tree that trees hard!

I absolutely want to stay away from mistakes others have made!!!

As breeders we should be trying to preserve the good we have and adding to it to make it better!!

Thanks John

75% ?????

I am tough on my dogs. If I don't see a coon, in my mind it ain't there. 75% not quite. I have seen very few 75% coondogs, that's by my own standards. If some of Yall culled by my standards where I hunt you would go through a lot of hounds and bullets. I say it often, we are on the right track. Keep doing what you are doing. Judge um the way YOU see um.

Re: Just wondering how long

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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
Does it take to walk 2 miles in the hills of TN or the swamps of AL??

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Re: Thank you Sir---

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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
That's why I bred the type I do. Who in their right mine what's to have a DOG go that far??? 2 hour hunt your scoring one coon

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Well I want a hound that has it all goes hunting but hunts the ground it covers a good honest strike dog that can tree a coon how ever they find them from trailing one up to being able to drive a track to tree a lay up coon and get treed and stay treed and have the meat I have always breed my walker dogs that way kinda new to the red dogs but I still want the same kind of dogs

I hunt females in both breeds I just like the girls better not that I think they make a better coon dog but I try very hard to breed to a male dog that is balanced and maybe a little stronger were I feel mine is weaker I am currently looking for a walker male to breed my walker female and I am having a tough time finding it been looking and hunting with dogs for over a year now and still looking tittles are nice and they are a tool to gauge a dog but to me its has to be a coon dog that will tree coons in the summer fall winter and spring from heat to cold and rain snow drought what ever the conditions are

I have been lucky in a lifetime of coon hunting I have got to hunt with several hounds like that some I was lucky enough to own and some I did not but my favorite hounds to hunt are the ones you have that bond together when you both work as team you and the hound but it does not always happen even with the good ones it takes a lot of time and boot leather to get to that point but thats when to me coon hunting is the sweetest

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