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Posted by Flatwoodblues on 11-26-2015 07:28 AM:

Advice on a blood line that Fits my style

I'm just getting back into coon hunting and I got to admit thus far in my search for a hound that suits me I have come up empty handed. First and for most I will be doing a lot more pleasure hunting than comp hunting. I would just like to have a registered dog that I could comp hunt if the day ever arose that I wanted to, cause at the moment I'm hunting hounds that I bred for hog dogs and they are unregistered. what I'm looking for most is accuracy and hunt. Not necessarily a dog that will set the woods on fire and go a 1/2 mile before he actually starts hunting for a coon but one that will cover ground in search of one. Speed is not a real concern. I honestly don't care if he trails and works a track for an hour, long as he comes up with meat in the tree just more time I get to listen to him. I prefer Blueticks but would consider a English or redbone. Anyways thanks for the advise in advance.

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Posted by on 11-26-2015 12:41 PM:

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I see your in N. FL. How close to the Palatka/Saint Augustine area?


Posted by John Carroll on 11-26-2015 03:10 PM:

Re: Advice on a blood line that Fits my style

quote:
Originally posted by Flatwoodblues
I'm just getting back into coon hunting and I got to admit thus far in my search for a hound that suits me I have come up empty handed. First and for most I will be doing a lot more pleasure hunting than comp hunting. I would just like to have a registered dog that I could comp hunt if the day ever arose that I wanted to, cause at the moment I'm hunting hounds that I bred for hog dogs and they are unregistered. what I'm looking for most is accuracy and hunt. Not necessarily a dog that will set the woods on fire and go a 1/2 mile before he actually starts hunting for a coon but one that will cover ground in search of one. Speed is not a real concern. I honestly don't care if he trails and works a track for an hour, long as he comes up with meat in the tree just more time I get to listen to him. I prefer Blueticks but would consider a English or redbone. Anyways thanks for the advise in advance.


I hope you are able to find something that suits you.

I sure don't know about every bloodline in the Bluetick breed, but the combination of traits you are looking for is uncommon to find in one dog.

The hard hunters are typically not going to be methodical, track straddling careful track dogs.

Drive in one area typically translates into drive in another.

Dogs that are bred to hunt hard usually also hustle a track hard.

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Posted by indiana1 on 11-27-2015 12:50 AM:

Give me a call when you have some time i may be able to help you out.
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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 11-27-2015 12:58 AM:

Didn't you start a thread last week and said you had better hounds than anyone?

quote:
Originally posted by Flatwoodblues
First of all let me start out by saying that I do not consider myself a so called "coon hunter " but then again I do coon hunt and could safely say that I tree more coons in a year than 80% of the hardcore "coon hunters" in my area. About 2 years ago I started getting back into coon hunting for the first time since I use to go back before my grandfather passed away 20 years or so ago and it just seems to me like competition hunting has ruined what coon hunting is too me, it's supposed to be about spending time in the woods with friends and family and breeding and raising good hounds that will tree coons. now it seems like people are just breeding papers and not coon dogs. I have tried countless dogs and have yet to find one hound that I would pay money for. All of them either have no hunt to them, or are just slick treeing idiots . Then when you give people your opinion about the dog it's always the same answer well he's bred this way you could just breed him. The dogs that I'm hunting now are just young dogs that I bred for hog dogs and decided to make coon dogs out of and I would put them against any dog I've hunted around so far. If we were hunting to see who could come home with the most meat at the end of the night. just seems like the UKC rules and circle points have ruined coondogs. I for one hunt year round and it seems like no one now a days wants to hunt except for the cold nights and on average not more than 3 months a year. I personally do not feel you should own a dog that your not going to hunt more a few nights a year and think that people should be more strict on their breeding programs. If a dog will not get out and hunt strike a track and come to tree with meat in it then it should not be bred regardless what his bloodlines are.

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Posted by dchartt on 11-27-2015 01:42 AM:

Lmao i thought the same thing

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Posted by Gambler's Ace on 11-27-2015 01:46 AM:

Didn't you start a thread last week and said you had better hounds than anyone

Lol this is true

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Posted by Jrkb2012 on 11-27-2015 03:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by dchartt
Lmao i thought the same thing
X3,,I was thinking the same thing,,I'm sure it's the same person,,,lol

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Posted by Fisher13 on 11-27-2015 05:15 AM:

Whitey which is stylish clover

Skuna river my personal favorite, which has lead into hubs homer, when Fred was bred to his mother accidentally, she had hubs. Hubs has produced lockbox,jiggs, bone, etc.
Fred and hubs generally throw traits more known from there mother queen, tree dogs that can track.

There is also skuna river bark, he was a brother to Fred, Eli stone is a well respected dog right now on the pro circuit doing lots of winning, but the jury is still out on his ability to reproduce.

Wipe out also is known for hard hunting accurate hounds.

These are generally the lines I hear about when the terms cold nosed,hard hunting , and accuracy come up.

Skuna river,clover and wipe out.

If I had to name one dog to get a pup out of I would personally recommend getting a bone pup, he is a proven reproducer that throws a nice balance of traits. Jmo

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Posted by mr taylor on 11-27-2015 05:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jrkb2012
X3,,I was thinking the same thing,,I'm sure it's the same person,,,lol

i think all you fellers are wrong , he started a thread last week and THOUGHT he had better hounds than everyone else , its funny how things change in a weeks time ..


Posted by Flatwoodblues on 11-27-2015 06:56 AM:

Re: .

quote:
Originally posted by Bruce M. Conkey
I see your in N. FL. How close to the Palatka/Saint Augustine area?
bout an hour and a half

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Posted by Flatwoodblues on 11-27-2015 07:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by nitehunter2004
Didn't you start a thread last week and said you had better hounds than anyone?
I started the thread...and if you'll read it is said the ones I'm hunting now are better than any I've tried so far not all of em in the world

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Posted by Flatwoodblues on 11-27-2015 07:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by mr taylor
i think all you fellers are wrong , he started a thread last week and THOUGHT he had better hounds than everyone else , its funny how things change in a weeks time ..
nothings changed still think what I'm am hunting now is better than anything I've tried thus far.....just looking for a decent registered dog

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Posted by dchartt on 11-27-2015 01:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Flatwoodblues
nothings changed still think what I'm am hunting now is better than anything I've tried thus far.....just looking for a decent registered dog


Im going to take a wild guess and say you havent tried very many dogs so far cause if your hog dogs turned coon dogs are gonna beat my potlickers then I need culled

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Posted by Flatwoodblues on 11-27-2015 09:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dchartt
Im going to take a wild guess and say you havent tried very many dogs so far cause if your hog dogs turned coon dogs are gonna beat my potlickers then I need culled
went through about 20 head couldn't find nothing that I personally cared for....most just didn't have any desire to hunt the others were just slick treeing idiots. That's why I gave up and started some young dogs that I had

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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 11-27-2015 10:26 PM:

Not 100% sure but I think you can register your hog/coon dogs as x breed.

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Posted by rthompson on 11-28-2015 02:00 AM:

My question is are you trying dogs under a certain price or on a budget? There is alot of time involved in makin a dog! If you have don so well with your hog dogs just buy a pup and give it a go.


Posted by novicane65 on 11-28-2015 02:25 AM:

You need to give a bit more info imo. What breed are you looking for? Then from there try to narrow it done to a bloodline.


Posted by Flatwoodblues on 11-30-2015 08:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rthompson
My question is are you trying dogs under a certain price or on a budget? There is alot of time involved in makin a dog! If you have don so well with your hog dogs just buy a pup and give it a go.
most of the dogs I've tried have been in the 700 to 1200 range. I'm looking for a pup now that's why I started this thread trying to get advise on a pup that should be somewhat what I want. I'm looking for the most track for track trailing accurate line of blue dogs being bred right now...I know there's probably not a lot of them being bred this way cause I wouldn't imagine they'd do very well in comp hunts but that's what I'm looking for is cold trailing accuracy

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Posted by indiana1 on 11-30-2015 08:33 PM:

If you are looking for a blue pup Scott Jordan may still have a pup out of uchtmans thorn and his albert bred female that would probally fit what you are looking for he goes by scopus blue on this board. I have a male from that cross that has been running and treeing his own coon since 5 1/2 mos old he is 7 mos old now and has been fairly straight.


Posted by rthompson on 11-30-2015 09:32 PM:

Well ill be you not satisfied with a 700 dollar dog!lol i would expect a $1200 dog to be decently started at best! I think the pup route miggt be your best bet if you dont wanna pay for a dog.


Posted by novicane65 on 11-30-2015 11:38 PM:

I'm no expert. But have you tried the OLD Uchtmann stuff? Like out of blue ranger 3 or 4. I have a female that's linebred on ranger 4. she's definitely a cold trailer, and not fast anymore. She was at one time. Her age and body ain't there anymore.

There's more guys on the bluetick board that can point you in a direction to what you're seeking.


Posted by Flatwoodblues on 12-01-2015 12:45 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by novicane65
I'm no expert. But have you tried the OLD Uchtmann stuff? Like out of blue ranger 3 or 4. I have a female that's linebred on ranger 4. she's definitely a cold trailer, and not fast anymore. She was at one time. Her age and body ain't there anymore.

There's more guys on the bluetick board that can point you in a direction to what you're seeking.

thanks

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Posted by John Carroll on 12-01-2015 03:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by novicane65
I'm no expert. But have you tried the OLD Uchtmann stuff? Like out of blue ranger 3 or 4. I have a female that's linebred on ranger 4. she's definitely a cold trailer, and not fast anymore. She was at one time. Her age and body ain't there anymore.

There's more guys on the bluetick board that can point you in a direction to what you're seeking.



Good advice.

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