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Over my head, need suggestions!

Been hunting for a while and never quite had a hound like this. He is very gamey, loved running fast game, would give foxes and deer's a run for their money. Although he's not 100% broke he is on the verge and has slowed down tremendously. MY MAJOR CONCERN IS THIS!!! Sometimes he will hit a track and work it, move it not fast but consistent almost like a colder coon track, sometimes he will hit a tree; locate and tree just for a bit, and other times he will just quit altogether and go on. At first I thought it was just a colder track that was over his head until I tried putting my hunting buddies older broke hound with him to sort of check him, and she won't even open on it and goes on hunting. Leading me to believe it's some kind of junk. This hound has never treed a opossum, so I've pretty much scratched that off the list. I'm thinking he could possibly be running either a mink or gray fox. It just makes it hard because he trails a colder coon track the same way and I don't want to shock him off a coon. Really would like to hear some input if anyone has ever had a dog do this. I hunt mostly in Southern, Ohio, and the North Eastern, Ky area.

This dog can flat tree coons, he minds like a child, very loud, independent, and accurate. He's 27 months old. I'm stumped on the issue, just looking for input and suggestions.

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good luck my gf got an 8 year old dog that done that from time he was 2 and still doing it I was going to send him to happy hunting ground but she took him and made a sorta pet out of him but we still take him hunting from time to time and he does that some when I was trying to break him I took a dog with him that would run anything that laid a track she never open with him... all I can say is he running ghost

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Could it be possible that the old hound didn't smell the coon?

I would avoid the woods where you keep getting that type of track,or I would use a predator call to try to call in what it is your dog is running. Then you will know.

How often is this happening?

I had a pup that did this quite turned out she was just running really old tracks my broke dog couldn't smell, overtime she got faster and faster, and starting put more meat on the end.

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I have a 12 month old dog doing the same thing. I think I have it narrowed it down to either a gray fox or a rabbit. We do have mink here, but they are rare and with legs about 1 1/2 inches long they wont take a dog on much of a track. Does this animal do a big circle??? Does it usually start off in a bottom or swampy area and head for high ground??? Does the dog eventually run to a blow down of trees and kind of bog down there for a few minutes then seem to straighten it out and go on???
I was also worried it could be a cold feeder track and didn't want to stop the dog if there was a chance she was right. I now hunt this dog during the day and she still manages to find one every time I cut her loose. That is one of the reasons I think it might be a rabbit. We normally do have a lot of gray fox here but this year they seem to be way down. Not seeing any fox on my trail cameras and have not called in a single one in the areas I also coon hunt. Yet, like I say this dog will run this thing every time she is cut loose, day, night, it don't matter.
This dog is a heck of a tree dog when she is right, but never tries to tree when she is running this thing. Which could be simply that she hasn't learned yet that doing so might get her off the hook. She hasn't yet learned at 12 months old to lie, but like most of them I am sure if this goes on long enough she will.
I don't have a check dog, but my other dog is pretty straight. The problem I have with him is that he wont honor another dog or pack, so the fact that he is not there don't help much.
The biggest reason I think it is probably a fox is that I have stopped her probably a dozen times for running this in the middle of the day and haven't even made a dent. I have yet to even start to slow her down, she still gets in the woods and immediately finds one and runs it. In my experience it is rare to have a dog this in love with rabbits.
Hunting in snow is the answer as posted above, but the problem with that is it snows here maybe once every three years

Do you have bobcats in your area?

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squirrels ?

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Not sure what you've got there, but I got a dog from down south that didn't know porcupines and behaved like that on porkies. No one had ever shocked him on one because they didn't have them where he came from. Eventually, he got quilled and the mystery game trails stopped. However, porcupines don't move very fast. They den in the same kinds f places conos do. At this time of year, they often sit in evergreens eating the new growth at the tips of the branches.

You probably don't have fishers there, but my dogs will sometimes behave like that on a fisher. Fishers will jump from tree to tree and I sometimes hear my dogs barking treed, but moving, and I know they're on a fisher. Fishers can mve pretty fast and aren't really afraid of much. They are out more at night, but we sometimes get on one during the day. Could be they are moving into your area?

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I find with my Fox, it seemed the track would often circle, it would often sound like a good track. The track will often end in the same area. I have gone back in the day, where the track usually ends, to find a den, my plan was to put flower down around the den, but when I got the area there were so many holes. It was impossible to tell which one they were using.

I found if I just say out of the section of woods till my dogs matured a bit, they would break themselves.

I would get a hold of a trapper, and get a fresh pelt from him, and throw it out in the yard. When ever my dog would wonder over I would hit him with the e collar. A couple sessions of this and the dog should have associated the scent with correction, and no longer be intrigued.

I would say it's also possible the dog is running a coon, and it may have been injured by a trap, and can no longer climb, and is diving down a hole. I don't think my dogs will stay at a hole.

If you find a track is suspect, I wouldn't feel bad about toning them off it. If it's a coon it won't effect them, plus it's good practice in case you ever have the need to tone a dog off a track to avoid a highway. If it is trash, it may also get through to the dog, that it shouldn't be running the off game.

We have flying squirrels, i see them all the time at night, and have had issues with my pups pulling up short on them.

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well you said hes never treed opossum. could be what hes doing. put them up and just walk off. or it could be rabbits. jmo

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I knew a hound many years ago that learned to walk a deer track. The hound associated the shock with running faster and not with running the game. So he simply started to run deer by running track like a brace beagle.

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Ive had them to walk or trot a deer if theyve been knocked of em a couple times and when they get close or jump them they will locate! Or is it possible it was an armadillo and it run in a hole? Dont know if you have them around here alot of people think they are runnin coons in holes when they are runnin dillrs

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Do you have bobcats in your area?

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Any Fishercat in your area?

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I find with my Fox, it seemed the track would often circle, it would often sound like a good track. The track will often end in the same area. I have gone back in the day, where the track usually ends, to find a den, my plan was to put flower down around the den, but when I got the area there were so many holes. It was impossible to tell which one they were using.

I found if I just say out of the section of woods till my dogs matured a bit, they would break themselves.

I would get a hold of a trapper, and get a fresh pelt from him, and throw it out in the yard. When ever my dog would wonder over I would hit him with the e collar. A couple sessions of this and the dog should have associated the scent with correction, and no longer be intrigued.

I would say it's also possible the dog is running a coon, and it may have been injured by a trap, and can no longer climb, and is diving down a hole. I don't think my dogs will stay at a hole.

If you find a track is suspect, I wouldn't feel bad about toning them off it. If it's a coon it won't effect them, plus it's good practice in case you ever have the need to tone a dog off a track to avoid a highway. If it is trash, it may also get through to the dog, that it shouldn't be running the off game.

We have flying squirrels, i see them all the time at night, and have had issues with my pups pulling up short on them.

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Originally posted by TrackDrifter
This hound has never treed a opossum, so I've pretty much scratched that off the list.

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I would say it's a mink . Strike them on a creek or small stream , ,2 or3 tapped trees run 3 or 4 hundred yards . I had a night champion female that was never fully broken off mink . But put her on a creek and I always had 1st strike ,,lol, other dogs check her and wouldn't open . Then she would cross a coon track and switch over and tree old ringtail . That's the Gospel truth guys.

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Ruts started. Bump and runs are pretty common this time of year.

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grey fox will run circles like a rabbit but much larger circles. Red fox circle also but in huge circles, maybe a half mile before coming back. Greys will absolutely hole and sometimes tree also. They will also either tire out or just get tired of being chased and hole up. Greys have a relatively small home range, around here usually brushy hollows. Stay out of brushy hollows and see what happens.

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Do you have bobcats in your area?

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im leaning towards a gray fox or mink both will climb but till you catch the dog in the act you will never know

bump him with the collar... if he cant put a tree on the end of it with a coon in it he should find a better track any way JMO

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