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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 09-30-2013 02:35 PM:

performanced litter?

If you breed to a performance sire all you need to do is pay the pup you buy up in the program correct? i heard something new that the litter has to be nominated then you pay the pup up? I'm no dog breeder so I haven't registered to many litters.

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Posted by Buckshot on 09-30-2013 02:41 PM:

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/WebP...boutPerformance

Litter Nomination
Once a female whelps a litter sired by a Performance Nominated Sire, the breeder, the litter registrant/owner, or any other individual, may nominate the litter for the Performance Program by paying the appropriate Litter Nomination fee in accordance with the Litter Nomination Fee Schedule listed below. The litter must be UKC registered in order to nominate the litter. Once the litter is registered and nominated one Application for Permanent Nomination for each puppy in the litter will be mailed to the litter owner. The litter must be registered and nominated before the litter turns one year of age.

Litters cannot be nominated while their sire is pending DNA. The actual DNA profile must be completed and on record at UKC before any Litter Nomination fees will be accepted. The dam is NOT required to be DNA profiled, but it is highly recommended.

Litter Nomination and Permanent Nominations at the time of Litter Registration

Litter Nomination and Permanent Nominations of all pups in an eligible litter may be requested at the same time you submit the Litter Registration Application. The pups are not required to be permanently registered at this time but they will need to be permanently registered before they may compete in any UKC events for Performance Points.

For a fee of $150 the breeder, litter registrant/owner, or any other individual may Litter Nominate and Permanently Nominate all the pups in the litter for the Performance Program. The litter application must be postmarked on or before the litter turns six months of age. The pups do not have to be permanently registered at this time but they will need to be permanently registered before they may compete in any UKC events for Performance Points. The litter owner will be supplied with one Application for Permanent Registration for each pup in the litter which will reflect that the Permanent Nomination Status has been paid up.

UKC reserves the right to deny any Litter Nomination if the nomination fee submitted is less than the amount due in accordance with the Litter Nomination Fee Schedule listed below. Individuals who submit a Litter Nomination with insufficient payment will be notified by mail. If the payment is postmarked on or before the pups turn six months of age, the Litter Nomination will take effect as of the date that it was originally received. If the additional fee is postmarked after the pups turn six months of age, the Litter Nomination Fee will increase according to the Litter Nomination Fee Schedule listed below. If the additional fee is postmarked on or before the pups turn one year of age the Litter Nomination will take effect as of the date that it was originally received. If the additional fee is not postmarked on or before the pups turn one year of age, the nomination and all fees already paid toward the Litter Nomination will be forfeited.

Litter Nomination Deadlines and Fee Schedule

· If the Litter Nomination is postmarked on or before the litter is six months of age, the Litter Nomination fee is $30.
· If the Litter Nomination is postmarked after the litter is six months of age, but on or before the litter turns one year of age, the Litter Nomination fee is $50.
· Litter Nomination with all pups being Permanently Nominated at time of Litter Registration is $150. Application must be postmarked on or before the litter turns six months of age.

Posted by Paul Frederick on 09-30-2013 02:43 PM:

Trevor,

There is a fee to Litter Nominate any litter. Before the pups are 6 months old the littler nomination fee is $30. It is then $30 per pup to Permanently Nominate the pups before they are 6 months old.

New this year, you can litter nominate and permanently nominate every pup in the litter for $150. This has to be done at the time of registration (when you send your Litter App in) and you do not have to permanently register the pups to do it. Basically, if you have more than 4 pups you end up saving quite a bit in the long run and you do not have to worry about if the pup owners will go ahead and pay up their pups.

If you can think of anything else you can check out the Performance Program link here: http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/WebP...boutPerformance

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 09-30-2013 02:47 PM:

Thanks guys that explains it all.

Posted by Cynthia on 09-30-2013 03:08 PM:

so once a pup is Perm Nominated, does that mean it can be a part of the Perf Sire program w/o any further fees?

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Posted by Paul Frederick on 09-30-2013 03:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Cynthia
so once a pup is Perm Nominated, does that mean it can be a part of the Perf Sire program w/o any further fees?

No that means it can earn Performance Points at UKC Events. To make a dog a Performance Sire it is a different fee and the dog must be DNA profiled.

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Posted by Cynthia on 09-30-2013 03:46 PM:

so no way to make them perm perf sires???

Posted by Richard Lambert on 09-30-2013 03:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Thanks guys that explains it all.

Yeah, clear as mud. Be careful because it can get very confusing. Does this mean that it costs $30 to litter nominate the pup and then another $30 to permenately nominate the pup? This is in addition to the $25 to permantely register a pup. So it costs $85 to permenately register and performance each pup?

Posted by Paul Frederick on 09-30-2013 03:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Cynthia
so no way to make them perm perf sires???

No sires have to be paid year-to-year.

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Posted by Paul Frederick on 09-30-2013 04:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Yeah, clear as mud. Be careful because it can get very confusing. Does this mean that it costs $30 to litter nominate the pup and then another $30 to permanently nominate the pup? This is in addition to the $25 to permanently register a pup. So it costs $85 to permanently register and performance each pup?

No KR,

It is $30 to nominate a litter no matter how many pups.

Then it is $30 per pup to permanently nominate the pup before 6 months of age.

The permanent registration fee is a separate fee and totally apart from the Performance Program. The PP money goes into the fund and is distributed at the end of the year among those who won performance points.

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Posted by Cynthia on 09-30-2013 04:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Paul Frederick
No KR,

It is $30 to nominate a litter no matter how many pups.

Then it is $30 per pup to permanently nominate the pup before 6 months of age.

The permanent registration fee is a separate fee and totally apart from the Performance Program. The PP money goes into the fund and is distributed at the end of the year among those who won performance points.

wasnt this $25 previously? if so, why the increase.

Posted by Paul Frederick on 09-30-2013 04:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Cynthia
wasnt this $25 previously? if so, why the increase.

Most of the fees and the dates for the Performance Program were changed on the first of January, 2013. The end goal is to ensure a higher total in the fund at the end of the year so pup/stud/dam owners receive more in the way of payout.

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Posted by Billy Beckham on 09-30-2013 04:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Paul Frederick
No sires have to be paid year-to-year.

If you nominate your hound for 2014 by January 1 2014 I believe its only $100

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Posted by Jackson87 on 10-01-2013 01:05 AM:

So to performance and register the whole litter it's $180.No matter how many pups?

Posted by GreatLakes Reds on 10-01-2013 02:04 AM:

One pup 60$ two pups 90$ three pups 120$ four pups 150$ that's just to permanently nominate the pup/pups and register the litter before they are six months old. So if you've got five or more pups the 150 will save you money. But then you have to permanently register any pups you keep at I believe 25$ each.

30$ to register the litter no matter if its one pup or fifty pups
30$ to permanently nominate each pup

I hope this is correct I've got a litter due any day. So this post was
Pretty timely.

Thanks

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Posted by Jackson87 on 10-01-2013 02:22 AM:

So they 180 is just to nominate then?WOW.Im gonna have to get a third job.lol

Posted by CoonBusterWV on 10-01-2013 11:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jackson87
So they 180 is just to nominate then?WOW.Im gonna have to get a third job.lol

Lol. That's only if you want to go ahead and pay the litter up in the performance program.

I let the new owners of the pup decide if they wanted too or not. Then its only 60 $ I believe.

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Posted by Paul Frederick on 10-01-2013 01:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by CoonBusterWV
Lol. That's only if you want to go ahead and pay the litter up in the performance program.

I let the new owners of the pup decide if they wanted too or not. Then its only 60 $ I believe.

If you do it that way it is only $50.

$20 for litter registration (to get puppy papers on how ever many pups you have)

$30 to Litter Nominate

If you want to litter register, litter nominate, and permanetly nominate every pup in the litter it is $170.

$150 to litter nom and perm nom every pup

$20 for litter registration

The good thing about paying for the entire litter to be permanently nominated is that you don't have to worry about if someone will pay their pup up. Maybe they are just a pleasure hunter who doesn't think they need it. What happens in 2-3 years if they sell the pup and someone decides to competition hunt it? The pup can't be paid up so now the pup owners and you, the dam or sire owner, get no return from the Performance Program. If the pup is permanently nominated, it stays with the dogs for their life.

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Posted by Cleo on 10-01-2013 01:28 PM:

We did our entire litter of Kentucky River Rowdy pups. It was expensive!

I was thinking our males were not PP sires but I dont see them.....
I guess Ill send 100 bucks by the end of the yr.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 10-01-2013 03:23 PM:

Yup, clear as mud....

Posted by BlueTickNC on 10-01-2013 03:41 PM:

The performance program is a bunch of crap they need to be some changes to it jmo

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 10-01-2013 03:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BlueTickNC
The performance program is a bunch of crap.... jmo

I don't think that it is "a bunch of crap". It is a lot better than no program at all. But it could be less confusing. I always thought that you just sent the money in and your pups were performanced. Boy was I wrong. I have a litter of pups that are almost 5 mos old and they still aren't Permanately Performanced. You send in the money and 5 weeks later they send it back. You jump thru some hoops and send it back in and 6 weeks later they send it back. Then you send it in again and maybe by the time the pups are 6 mos old, you get them Performanced. If not, then you have to send in some more money. One of the problems is that it takes 6 weeks from when you first send the money to find out that you did it wrong and then another 6 weeks before they get to your app again. 3-4 mos can go by before you find out that you still have a problem. If the pups are 8 weeks or 2 mos old before you start, then they can be 6 mos old before they ever get it straightened out.

Posted by Cynthia on 10-01-2013 04:18 PM:

I dont understand why on any reg papers (perf or not) you give an email address but they still snail mail a letter, esp if there is a problem. use the email, that's what its there for.

Posted by Lance Laymon on 10-01-2013 06:06 PM:

I've performanced lots of pups and never had any issues at all. I think it is a great program and well worth the money.

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