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Posted by Rocky Peace on 04-26-2013 12:06 AM:

Alpha's? allowed or not allowed in the hunts?

trying to find out before i go buy one

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Posted by Slowpoke 2012 on 04-26-2013 12:15 AM:

Garmins.

Not in a Nite Hunt. But they ARE ALLOWED in a HTX Hunt. Not sure about the Alpha since it has a shocker for HTX.

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Posted by Hunter Reese on 04-26-2013 03:12 AM:

I'm not 100 percent sure. But it think the rule is you can have them but have to be left in the truck. Can't be on you even if they're off.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-26-2013 05:53 AM:

You can carry it in pkc. Not in Ukc.

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Posted by KRAINES on 04-26-2013 01:16 PM:

You can carry a regular Garmin on you but it has to be off. In pkc you can carry alpha but not it Ukc even if it is off.

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Posted by RED REBELS on 04-26-2013 03:41 PM:

Out of curiosity why cant you carry it if its off? You can use it on time outs but by then your usually a 1/2 mile from the truck, so lets trudge back there to find out the dog was and still is only 200 yds from where u were standing? Wonderful rule

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Posted by on 04-26-2013 05:29 PM:

Check out the rule section and read:
6L
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If there are and add on's missed there I am sure someone will chime in.

Posted by Allen / UKC on 04-26-2013 05:50 PM:

The handheld of a Garmin Alpha may not be carried during hunt time because it also has controlling capabilities. The Alpha may however be used during a time out period.

Posted by midnite2010 on 04-26-2013 06:17 PM:

but if the hand held is shut off don't that turn off the controlling capabilities to.

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Posted by seth isch on 04-26-2013 06:45 PM:

Jerry

Yes it does Jerry.. Not sure what they was thinking in this ruling. It shouldn't be on during huntin time anyhow. Just like the astro or a beep beep tracker. Seth

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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 04-26-2013 06:58 PM:

Re: Jerry

quote:
Originally posted by seth isch
Yes it does Jerry.. Not sure what they was thinking in this ruling. It shouldn't be on during huntin time anyhow. Just like the astro or a beep beep tracker. Seth

Because, training (shock) collars cannot be used during time outs Only after hunt or if dog is scratched and ALL other dogs have been recovered. Alpha MUST be left in truck. I'd be willing to bet there will be some kind of rule change or Garmin will make another update JUST IN TIME TO BUY A NEW ONE AT AO. LOL! I'll bet on the Rule change this year at AO. Rule changes will be voted on this year.

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Posted by JiM on 04-26-2013 07:12 PM:

Re: Re: Jerry

quote:
Originally posted by The Seeker
Because, training (shock) collars cannot be used during time outs Only after hunt or if dog is scratched and ALL other dogs have been recovered. Alpha MUST be left in truck. I'd be willing to bet there will be some kind of rule change or Garmin will make another update JUST IN TIME TO BUY A NEW ONE AT AO. LOL! I'll bet on the Rule change this year at AO. Rule changes will be voted on this year.

I bet it will be changed at AO too but if it is, it won't be in effect until 1-1-2014.

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Posted by Rolin Blues on 04-26-2013 07:25 PM:

Rule change

I bought Alpha without knowing rule, BUT it will definitely be brought up for change at AO. No reason for not being able to carry it in woods, when it's shut off.

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Posted by runnin rebels on 04-26-2013 08:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Allen / UKC
The handheld of a Garmin Alpha may not be carried during hunt time because it also has controlling capabilities. The Alpha may however be used during a time out period.

i thought transmitters for electronic training collars could only be brought out during a time out, and after all other dogs are recovered and the dog wearing said devise is scratched????

so is the alpha not considered a transmitter for electronic training collars???

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Posted by JiM on 04-26-2013 08:37 PM:

The Alpha can be used during timeout to find your dog however if you use the e-collar feature, your azz is grazz and Allen is the lawnmower.

Posted by T Felderman on 04-26-2013 08:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by runnin rebels
i thought transmitters for electronic training collars could only be brought out during a time out, and after all other dogs are recovered and the dog wearing said devise is scratched????

so is the alpha not considered a transmitter for electronic training collars???

Watch, its going to be alot easier for people to get there dogs back on time outs thats for sure. If you know what I mean.

Posted by JiM on 04-26-2013 08:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by T Felderman
Watch, its going to be alot easier for people to get there dogs back on time outs thats for sure. If you know what I mean.

I never really understood it. Aside from using an e-collar, the rules allow you to do or use ANYTHING during timeout to retrieve your dog. Not only can YOU do anything, ANYONE can do anything. To my knowledge, there is nothing that you or anyone can't do or use EXCEPT for using the e-collar. So, I wonder why they picked that one single thing and said, no, you can't do that. But everything else imaginable is ok.

Posted by Joe S. on 04-26-2013 08:56 PM:

well looks like I wont be hunting any ukc hunts anytime soon there goes some more money out the window for um~!

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Posted by runnin rebels on 04-26-2013 09:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
The Alpha can be used during timeout to find your dog however if you use the e-collar feature, your azz is grazz and Allen is the lawnmower.

how do you prove weather or not someone used the ecollar on an alpha?

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Posted by john Duemmer on 04-26-2013 09:26 PM:

If they make the Alphas legal to carry alot of guys with tone broke dogs are in trouble.

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Posted by JiM on 04-26-2013 09:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by runnin rebels
how do you prove weather or not someone used the ecollar on an alpha?

It's not a court of law, proof isn't required.
If I say you used it and they believe me instead of you.......get out the lawnmower.

Posted by runnin rebels on 04-26-2013 11:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
It's not a court of law, proof isn't required.
If I say you used it and they believe me instead of you.......get out the lawnmower.

Yet another one of UKC's open to interpretation, no clear statement, MOH goes with the judge's call because he wasn't there, it's been beat to death in the advisor and still no one gets it rules.

I can't wait for someone to get accused of using it in a hunt.

Time out called you have an hour to get your dogs and meet back at the truck. JiM goes thataway to get his dog and I go thisaway to get mine. all the sudden my dog hits a hot wire and yelps and comes in. meanwhile JiM can not catch his dog until 70 minutes later. so he gets to the truck and says well looks like you are scratched for shocking your dog I heard him yelp! vote and the other guy sides with JiM because he will now be hunting alone. ? on the card. back to the clubhouse and I am scratched and barred.

UKC DO NOT OPEN THIS CAN OF WORMS!!! No alphas on night hunts

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-26-2013 11:25 PM:

I kinda figured this wouldn't have to be voted on to change. You know just like the using of Garmins wouldn't. Did Allen not say that here while back??

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Posted by jculler8 on 04-27-2013 12:50 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
The Alpha can be used during timeout to find your dog however if you use the e-collar feature, your azz is grazz and Allen is the lawnmower.

Lol. That's funny stuff there!

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