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Posted by David Gardin on 02-23-2011 01:42 PM:

NC Laws On Baiting Game / IMPORTANT!!

For your information, I’ve been working on a case in which two hunters were recently ticketed for baiting in North Carolina. (Bear Baiting Law) After numerous discussions with the NC Wildlife Department on this matter this is how they interpret the law on baiting:

In North Carolina it is unlawful to put out any processed feed(s) for any game in any county that has a Bear Season. The only exception to that are corn and apples. Any candies, cakes and/or dog foods are prohibited. Adding additives such as cool aid, coon potion or flavorings of any kind to corn or apples are prohibited.

This is a law that we must work towards changing as it affects coon hunting in the state as well. We must get started now and need your voice in the matter for upcoming hearings scheduled for September. We encourage all North Carolinian Sportsmen and women and all hunters to speak up and get involved with this issue. We need your help!

Posted by chris rigg on 02-23-2011 02:11 PM:

TELL ME WHAT YOU NEED

JUST LET ME KNOW HOW I CAN HELP

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Posted by ukc_hunter on 02-23-2011 03:48 PM:

Please let me know what we can do to help some game wardens aren't worried about feeding the coons the bear hunter is what they are after but I would like to see something in writing so that none of us get a ticket

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Posted by chris rigg on 02-23-2011 04:56 PM:

the answer

I HAVE JUST TALKED TO THE GAME WARDEN IN PERSON COUNTY AND THERE IS NO LAW CHANGED TO BAITING COON . YOU CAN BAIT COONS ALSO YOU CAN RUN DOGS ON SUNDAY WITH OUT A FIRE ARM BUT ON SAT. YOU MUST HAVE DOGS UP BY MID NIGHT IF YOU HAVE A FIRE ARM OR PUT THE FIRE ARM AWAY AND KEEP HUNTING AFTER MID NIGHT. THIS IS CORRECT INFO MY WIFE WORKS FOR THE HIGHWAY PATROL AND HAND AND HAND WITH WILD LIFE AND THE GAME WORDEN IS A FRIEND ANYMORE THEN THAT THEN PEOPLE NEED TO READ UP ON THE HUNT REG.

Posted by curtis hansley on 02-24-2011 03:03 AM:

Whatever i can do to help let me know.

Posted by chris rigg on 02-24-2011 01:26 PM:

COULD YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN THE SCHEDULED HEARINGS ARE AND LOCATION BE GLAD TO BE INVOLVED

Posted by Chris Herring on 02-24-2011 03:16 PM:

Here's the wording straight from the regulations booklet. This section is in the Big Game section and is in the section for bear hunting.
"It is unlawful to place processed foods as bait in any area of the state with an open season for taking black bears."

It seems that some Wildlife officers respect this as a restriction for baiting bears only while others see this as a restriction against placing any processed bait (candy, syrups, dog food, etc) in any area of the state with a bear season. The way it is written and the placement of the retrictionn in the bear hunting section lead to some confusion regarding application of the regulation. Reading the statement I can easily see that it could be applied to hunters baiting other game if the county they placed bait in has a black bear season.

The hearings are set by the NC Wildlife Dept and will be in the fall. I will communicate the dates as soon as I have them. The hearing dates will likely be published first at this website www.ncwildlife.com

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Posted by ncstatewalkers on 02-24-2011 03:45 PM:

The problem is nobody can prove that they were baiting coons so the game warden, if he chooses, can say you were attempting to bait bears and bam. you are the one with the burden of proof. Which is really hard to do if not impossible.

Jacob

and if you don't believe me ask these fellows in eastern NC that have been ticket for "bear hunting over bait" when they are sitting over a corn pile they put out for deer. It is impossible to prove what you were trying to bait.

Posted by BigTimeRed on 02-24-2011 04:51 PM:

the way i read that it plainly says unlawful to place procesed bait in any area of the state with bear hunting, so it does not matter what you are hunting you cannot use processed bait, ain't that what it says????
uh oh, bucket hunters in bear hunting countys got to go buy a coon dog!

Posted by chris rigg on 02-24-2011 04:57 PM:

IT IS REAL CLEAR THAT MOST OF US UNDERSTAND THE LAW AND WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT A PERSON CAN MAKE IT EASY ON THEM SELF IF THEY WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO GO SEE THE GAME WORDEN IN YOUR AREA, MAKE HIM YOUR FRIEND AND YOU WOULD FIND OUT THAT HE MOST LIKELY WOULD HELP BUT IF YOU MAKE HIM MAD HE WILL JUST MAKE IT HARD ON YA BECOUSE HE CAN

Posted by curtis hansley on 02-24-2011 09:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BigTimeRed
the way i read that it plainly says unlawful to place procesed bait in any area of the state with bear hunting, so it does not matter what you are hunting you cannot use processed bait, ain't that what it says????
uh oh, bucket hunters in bear hunting countys got to go buy a coon dog!

Yea i live in richlands nc.On my uncles club there is bear and they talked to the game warden and he said if your hunting a corn pile and there is a bear within 1mile radious of the pile you will get a tickett for baiting bear.THE NEW LAW,JUST SPOKE WITH HIM.

Posted by Chris Herring on 02-25-2011 05:02 AM:

Here's the entire regulation copied from the book:
Place processed food products as bait in any area of the state with an open season for taking black bears. Processed food products are any food substance or flavoring that has been modified by the addition of ingredients or by treatment to modify its chemical com posi tion or form or to enhance its aroma or taste. This includes: food products enhanced by sugar, honey, syrups, oils, salts, spices, peanut butter, grease, meat,
bones, or blood; candies, pastries, gum, and sugar blocks; and extracts of such products. The prohibi tion against taking bears with the use and aid of bait does not apply to the release of dogs in the vicinity of anyfood source that is not a processed food product. However, dogs may not be released in the vicinity of any commercially available mineral supplement whether placed for the purpose of attracting deer or otherwise.

Based on thie above it appears corn, peanuts, acorns, apples, crab apples, etc that are natural are OK. Just do not modify these natural foods by adding stuff like syrup, sugar, etc. Unless i am missing something here corn is still OK to use and does NOT warrant a ticket.

Posted by chris rigg on 02-25-2011 11:46 AM:

CHRIS YOU ARE CORRECT ON THAT IT IS SIMPLE IF YOU USE ANYTHING UNNATRAL YOU WILL GET A TICKET........................

Posted by JB Cobb on 02-25-2011 02:47 PM:

Chris it looks like the key word would be OPEN season. Looks like it would be ok during closed season????

Posted by e.t.sawyerjr on 02-25-2011 02:54 PM:

if the bear baiting applies to coon what are the trappers using for bait now.

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Posted by Chris Herring on 02-25-2011 03:01 PM:

Jamie,

To address your comment, the sentence reads "with an open season" not "during open season". I am willing to bet what one game warden sees as a violation another may ignore, I would nt want to take that chance as a lawyer can be expensive. I have spoken to a biologist and the reason for this regulation is dental health decline in the Black bear population. According to what I was told, the rule is not in place to make it more fair or sporting but is in place for black bear dental concerns, which is year long not a hunting season only issue.
The NC Coonhunters Assn will be addressing the rule, it is my hope that a "happy medium" can be accomplished. Typically the volume of food in a coon feeder is much smaller than the volume put out for bears (large drums vs buckets). Perhaps we can get an agreement that processed bait be used in smaller quantities for raccoon and squirrel hunting.
Until the hearings and these conversations have taken place I'd suggest that anyone in a bear hunting county stick to the natural food sources if they wish to bait coons.
I'd like to THANK David Gardin for the work he has already done regarding this issue and the work he is continueing to do. If progress is made in getting the regulation re-worded for clarity he will be a major reason for that change. Folks long distance bills add up and he has been calling Raleigh regarding this issue for several days. THANKS DAVID!

Posted by little b on 02-26-2011 12:03 AM:

once corn out of the field is picked shelled and baged shiped to feed stores and sold is this considered processed

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Posted by coon's age on 02-26-2011 09:48 PM:

Man,its gettn

pretty bad,sounds like we gona have to plant persimmon trees before long.These grey areas are bad,many other laws in the regulation book you get when ya get a license are not clear and you only get a small portion or it interpitation.Wardens will be the first to tell ya,its not for me to interpit the law in the feild.

By the way it reads,the key word over the feed of whatever type is (processed).And turning hounds loose near pastures could result in getting a ticket because of salt and minerial blocks near by.IT could read as it is in its intireity if it was tag with, with the exception of coon hunting and feild trialing of coon hounds.

Posted by mackfixxer on 02-27-2011 05:41 PM:

If the law was passed as a "dental concern" for bears could it not be specified that certain sweets cant be used? dog food wont hurt the bears teeth.. neither will soured corn which is what 90% of people around here bait with.

Posted by David Gardin on 02-28-2011 02:09 AM:

REGULATION CHANGES

I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE WILDLIFE DEPT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET SOME KIND OF AMENDENT TO THIS LAW TO BE ABLE TO FEED COON IN THESE COUNTYS WE NEED SOMETHING THAT WILL PASS WITHOUT A LOT OF OPPOSITION.

Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 02-28-2011 04:23 AM:

David, keep us informed on this issue. I know alot of people who use buckets and I like them myself. Saves alot of walking, SOMETIMES!!!! If I can be of any help let me know. Thanks for all the efforts of all the men and women who work to improve the hunting laws in NC. You have my support.

Brian Teague

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Posted by BlueTickNC on 03-04-2011 10:15 AM:

david

david have you heard anything esle on this matter thanks!!!!

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Posted by Andy Liles on 03-04-2011 02:27 PM:

I bet the North Carolina Sporting Dog Aso. would be glad to help

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Posted by seanbailey35 on 03-05-2011 03:50 PM:

baiting

i think if the dnr would give something to put in feeders for rabies distemper etc.etc. it would be a win win for everyone

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