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Posted by Lawsreddog on 04-19-2016 02:36 AM:

Pokey Bill

Has anyone heard of this dog and how did he hunt. Yellow river bred?

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Posted by mmarshall on 04-19-2016 02:46 AM:

Was told he was a very hard hunter was way before my time he shows up I think in timber jacks dads bottom talker also yellow river / bachhelders stuff bachhelders bow yellow river rocky was off bachhelders females litter mate sisters and he shows up in wrong way ace on both sides

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Posted by sox12 on 04-19-2016 02:12 PM:

Pokey Bill was a hard hunting and quick tree dog,produced the same in his likeness,i had a little female that was fast and a hard tree dog back in the early 70's

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Posted by Danny McCleskey on 04-19-2016 02:49 PM:

NiteCh Bruces Pokey Bill was born in 1956 and lived to be 15 years old. James Bruce of Baxter, Tennessee owned him. GrNiteCh Bruces Pokey Bill Jr. was born in 1962. James Bruce sold Pokey Bill Jr. to Maurice Adams of Delaware and he was advertised at stud for several years.

I got to know Mr. Bruce in the mid 1970's. He was one of the nicest guys in the Redbone breed. The cross of NiteCh Bruces Pokey Bill and GrNiteCh Bruces Pretty Polly was one of the best Redbone crosses back in its days.

Posted by sox12 on 04-19-2016 02:56 PM:

I new you could add a lot more for Mr.James Bruce

Posted by rpfirman on 04-19-2016 03:57 PM:

pokey bill

Posted by Chris Snyder on 04-20-2016 05:23 AM:

Old School Lingo

Man I love that old school lingo. Reminds me of the stuff my grandpa used to say.

"I have never seen Poke have the bellyache" is this slang for not want to go hunting? Is a, "lantern dog" a shine dog? Or one that won't hunt out of your light? Some of you old timers, help me out.

Looks like a nice medium sized hound with good ear and built like a hound.

And RFD 1. When you actually had to know your mailman. Cool ad.

Posted by rpfirman on 04-20-2016 02:52 PM:

pokey bill

glad you like it.

Posted by rpfirman on 04-22-2016 08:28 PM:

here another with pokey bill

Posted by Lawsreddog on 04-25-2016 11:25 AM:

thx

for posting pic love this old stuff!!!!

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Posted by ahallada on 04-25-2016 01:45 PM:

Timber Jack goes back to James Bruce's breeding on the top side. His daddy GrNtCh Toussaint Red Talker was out of Griggs Gal who was heavy line bred Pokey Bill. I'd say some of the speed we see in today's Redbones comes from this line of dogs.

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Posted by RedScorpion on 04-25-2016 06:30 PM:

Pokey Bill wasn't pokey

quote:
Originally posted by ahallada
I'd say some of the speed we see in today's Redbones comes from this line of dogs.

Agree with is statement. I owned two out of Pokey Bill Jr. They were both lighter colored, big, leggy dogs that looked and acted pretty much the same. They both were hard hunters, semi on track, and good tree dogs. They had good track mouths but choked down on tree...And boy were they fast on track! As I recall, neither was very junky, either and started when they were nearly 2 years old. But then again we didn't take them out until they were 1.5 years old back then.

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Posted by Ben Harper on 04-27-2016 02:12 PM:

Mark M

So
Shock, Big D, Deana all go back to wrong way ace, after him comes wrong way Billy and Pokey Bill IV.
I think this cross has been doubled up in the past what did it produce and what would you all think about doing it again?

Posted by Ben Harper on 04-27-2016 02:37 PM:

I guess if you look harder you can find your answers

I guess this would be a good example of doubling up since he's currently #1 on the reproducers list.

*******REDARROW POKEY BILL IV
*****WRONGWAY BILLY
*******BROOKS REDBROOK BELLE
***WRONGWAY ACE
*******PATTERSONS DELUXE BUSTER
*****WOLF CREEK SWEET ANNIE
*******NIGHTY NIGHT RED ROXIE

GRNITECH'PR' BLACK CREEKS STILL WATER CHASE

*******COMPAGNARI'S RJ
*****BLACK CEEK CASEY
*******BLACK RIVER BELLE
***WRONGWAY REBA
*******WRONGWAY BILLY
*****WRONGWAY SASSY
*******SKIPPY'S RED DUECE

Posted by mmarshall on 04-27-2016 02:55 PM:

Re: Mark M

quote:
Originally posted by Ben Harper
So
Shock, Big D, Deana all go back to wrong way ace, after him comes wrong way Billy and Pokey Bill IV.
I think this cross has been doubled up in the past what did it produce and what would you all think about doing it again?

Shock x Bree was a good cross there just now at the age some will start showing up at the hunts
Shane really likes that cross and is talking about taking Bree to a brother of shock

Posted by Chris Snyder on 04-29-2016 11:41 PM:

Question

Do you guys really think that a dog that has been dead nearly 60yrs still has any influence on the performance of a dog now?

It's an honest question. I was just wondering what people think. Is that possible?

Maybe, maybe with tight linebreeding over that time frame, yes...but there is so many other puzzle pieces introduced since 1961 that I would find it hard to believe.

That still doesn't take away from Pokey Bill. Without him there wouldn't be a lot of really good hounds. Just like a lot of other dogs from those times and before.

Posted by Larry D Walker on 04-30-2016 01:03 AM:

Pokey Bill

Andy Compagnari,,,probly has the most concentrated pokey blood as any...

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Posted by Pastor Mike on 04-30-2016 03:56 AM:

Re: Question

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chris Snyder
[B]Do you guys really think that a dog that has been dead nearly 60yrs still has any influence on the performance of a dog now?

It's an honest question. I was just wondering what people think. Is that Possible?

I would say no, jmo.

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Posted by ahallada on 04-30-2016 06:09 AM:

Re: Re: Question

quote:
Originally posted by Pastor Mike
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chris Snyder
[B]Do you guys really think that a dog that has been dead nearly 60yrs still has any influence on the performance of a dog now?

It's an honest question. I was just wondering what people think. Is that Possible?

I would say no, jmo.

When a dominate reproducer shows up in a pedigree over 5 times I'd say it has a definite impact on the offspring 50-60 years later. Especially with frozen semen. We have dogs that go back to Timber Chopper over 70X.

Posted by Chris Snyder on 04-30-2016 05:10 PM:

Frozen

Definitely lowers the amount of puzzle pieces to get to that one dog.

Still, I can't tell you much about my own great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa and what traits of his I have. LOL

Posted by jdgher on 05-01-2016 01:26 AM:

Re: Frozen

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Snyder
Definitely lowers the amount of puzzle pieces to get to that one dog.

Still, I can't tell you much about my own great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa and what traits of his I have. LOL

All of his traits. You look and act just like him. (Line Breeding)

HA HA HA LMAO

I couldn't resist.

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Posted by Chris Snyder on 05-01-2016 06:56 PM:

Funny Man

Sent you a pm bud. Hope you are doing well.

Posted by pastorgary on 05-06-2016 07:25 PM:

As much Pokey Bill as you will find

*******REDARROW POKEY BILL IV
*****WRONGWAY BILLY
*******BROOKS REDBROOK BELLE
***WRONGWAY ACE
*******PATTERSONS DELUXE BUSTER
*****WOLF CREEK SWEET ANNIE
*******NIGHTY NIGHT RED ROXIE
*BLACK CREEKS STILL WATER CHASE
*******COMPAGNARI'S RJ
*****BLACK CREEK CASEY
*******BLACK RIVER BELLE
***WRONGWAY REBA
*******WRONGWAY BILLY
*****WRONGWAY SASSY
*******SKIPPPY'S RED DEUCE
GRNITECH GRCH'PR' BAVARIAN RED FIN & GRNITECH GRCH'PR' BLACK CREEK STILL WATER CRASH
*******COMPAGNARI'S TONY
*****COMPAGNARI'S RJ
*******JIM'S SWEET GRINNER
***BLACK CREEK CASEY
*******COMPAGNARI'S LUKE
*****BLACK RIVER BELLE
*******COMPAGNARI'S KIESHA
*BLACKCREEKS LAST DROP JOSEY
*******LEWIS' NICK
*****LEWIS' JIM
*******ANN
***BLACK CREEK LAST DROP SISSY
*******WRONGWAY BILLY
*****WRONGWAY SASSY
*******SKIPPY'S RED DEUCE

Crash is owned by Andy Compagnari and Fin is owned by a guy here in WV.

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