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Posted by SCBluetickGal on 05-23-2009 03:20 PM:

Have you had this happen much while hunting?

We took our old Walker and my younger blue dog out last night, and they ended up doing something I've never seen them do. I put buckets out for the first time at the beginning of the month, and have only hunted there once since then so I figured they would find a track pretty quick. Well, I figured the night could be off to a bad start because a couple minutes after I turned loose a herd of deer started blowing in the general vicinity of my blue dog. Luckily she didn't mess with them, so I at least have figured out she isn't trashy! They knocked around on a few tracks, and once or twice they were both opening hard (I could see they were on the same track watching the Garmin) but ended up dropping it or just trying to figure it out. Finally my bluetick struck again, but after a few minutes she wasn't using her normal voice. When she finally sounded treed she didn't sound normal at ALL, and I told my fiance we better get down there because something sounded fishy. Sure enough when we got there they'd treed on the tree a bucket was hanging off of.

Now at first I was a little ill. The tree was slap full of leaves, but it was a smaller one so I don't think the coon could have hidden. Unless it was flattened down behind a big patch it certainly wasn't in that particular tree. There were tons of huge trees growing up around it (all full of thick leaves, of course) so if the coon was up one of the neighboring ones we couldn't see it either. However, when I checked the feed in the bucket (which was empty) the lid and side had wet spots, and there were fresh marks in the tree bark right where the coon would have went up. Plus there were fresh tracks in the edge of the creek by the tree. Do you think this coon probably went up that tree and hopped to another one? I suspect what may have happened was my blue dog tracked it from around the other feeder and may have actually SEEN the coon before it went up the tree, hence the change in her voice. She's just starting to run and tree consistently this year, and I've never known her to slick tree (the Walker is a different story hahaha!). What would you think/do in this situation?

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Posted by Ebo Walker on 05-23-2009 04:17 PM:

NEVER PUT A BUCKET IN OR AT THE BOTTOM OF A TREE.

Posted by Daniel Evans on 05-23-2009 04:37 PM:

with the way you said the dogs trailed around at first before going in there and getting on that track, that coon had plenty of time to cross out. If your dog doesnt check itself at a tree, that coon couldve crossed out to another tree, climbed down and went well on his was by the time your dog treed there. jmo

Posted by Daniel Evans on 05-23-2009 04:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ebo Walker
NEVER PUT A BUCKET IN OR AT THE BOTTOM OF A TREE.

Not trying to start an argument or anything, just wanting to know your reason for this Ebo? Sorry for jacking your thread SCBluetickgal.

Posted by Ebo Walker on 05-23-2009 04:47 PM:

I dont like to help put coon scent on a tree that a coon may not be in.

Kind of like those coon potion things you screw into a tree..Naturally a dog, especially a young dog, is going t0 be more prone to tree where the coon HAS BEEN, instead of where it has went.

Just my 2 cents. No hard feelings.

Posted by Daniel Evans on 05-23-2009 04:59 PM:

ok, I was just wanting to know you reasoning behind it, I can see where you are coming from. completely understandable, me personally that would just be a way for me to train a dog make sure its right before it locks down. Great reason though.

Posted by SCBluetickGal on 05-23-2009 09:20 PM:

Oh, it's fine. I'm new to starting inexperienced dogs, so I appreciate any advice given to me.

What both of you have said makes sense. The individual that has helped me out the most since I got into coon hunting suggested I put the buckets out to help my younger dogs get started. There's no telling how many TRUE coondogs he's trained, and he uses the same method so it must somewhat work. Plus the land I hunt is only about 200 acres, so I like to keep the coon pulled in where my dogs don't get off so I can't get them.

Daniel, that could have been what happened with my dogs last night, but I'm not sure. The blue dog is good about checking herself, and she generally won't really open on track or tree if she doesn't REALLY think there is a coon. She opened a lot less than the Walker did last night, and I watched her stop a lot on the Garmin trying to figure trails out. The good thing is, I have all my buckets marked on the Garmin, so I know when they're running near them. I don't think it would be a bad idea to set the buckets farther apart though. A couple are only about 250-300 yards apart over a couple hills.

Posted by MikeO on 05-23-2009 09:26 PM:

slick treeing bluetix, im glad i hunt walkers.

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Posted by chris baker on 05-23-2009 10:27 PM:

We use tires for feeders. That way you can put them in a little bare spot or any where you want to. They work well for us. I have seen dogs tree on tres with buckets on them before. There is usually so much hot sent they just don't check.

Posted by cskinsey01 on 05-24-2009 12:47 AM:

Live and learn.

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Posted by Brian-BleedzRed on 05-24-2009 03:51 PM:

Buckets

I start pups on buckets also but never put them on a tree I'll take a 4"x4" post cut it about 4' long and screw a 2'x2' piece of 3/4" plywood to the top and bottom screw the bucket on top and place it as far from trees as i can where coon travel they'll climb up and feed as soon as the dogs get near there off to the trees a lot of times the coon will run a few hundred yards before they tree. I have seen pups tree on the bucket but not near as many as the ones on the trees!!!!! also you know right off without shining if there's a coon so you dont praise a pup for not having to coon so dont get me wrong it's not fool proof but I also saw a seasoned walker dog tree every breath on a corn stalk in a 40acre corn field LOL!!!

Posted by SCBluetickGal on 05-24-2009 10:53 PM:

Maybe I need to try that. I thought about just sitting buckets out (secured somehow so they wouldn't fall over) when I first started getting ready to put them out, but most of the people I knew said it would be ok to hang them kind of low on a couple trees. We'll see what happens tonight, and if they tree on a bucket tree again I believe I'll try rigging something for the buckets to sit out on the ground. I guess that would help some with coons just tapping the trees then moving out, huh?

Posted by GA DAWG on 05-24-2009 11:19 PM:

I put my buckets on trees and everybody else I know does the same thing.If one trees on those trees to much.Its going to do the same thing on a post,tire,or whatever else you use..I do however use as small a tree as I can find to put em on..That way the coon will not climb it most of the time and has to run alittle ways!

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Posted by SCBluetickGal on 05-25-2009 02:16 PM:

Well, last night we went and they decided NOT to tree on a bucket again haha. It had been raining most of the day, and the bottoms we were hunting in had a good bit of water standing in them. My blue dog struck a track pretty quickly that she drove hard and fast for a little bit, but for some reason or another she decided to drop it. The Walker moved around on several tracks before they both treed on the side of a hill where there were several VERY thick, tall trees right together. We looked for about 20 minutes and never saw the coon, but it was a pretty convincing tree. It's just so hard to check a dog's accuracy down here this time of year. The leaves are so thick on most of the trees that it would be a small miracle to spot the coon unless you had about 5 sets of eyes.

Posted by Donnie Stevens on 05-25-2009 05:04 PM:

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Originally posted by chris baker
We use tires for feeders. That way you can put them in a little bare spot or any where you want to. They work well for us. I have seen dogs tree on tres with buckets on them before. There is usually so much hot sent they just don't check.

Amen.

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Posted by joey+redticks on 05-25-2009 07:19 PM:

i think i have had it happen theres no way to be sure

one night i was with the dog, and she was trying to work her way through this small but thick brush pile with maybe a 6 inch tree in the middle and when she did she started treeing on it, the branches of that little tree went up and intertwined with some big branches of a huge hollow den tree , so i gave her the benefit that it climbed into the den

that next night in the same woods, different spot, she treeed on 10 inch tree aslo intertwining with a den tree thats only a couple feet away

Posted by SCBluetickGal on 06-01-2009 12:58 AM:

Well, I haven't had an issue with the dogs treeing anywhere NEAR a bucket since this one incident. I've been out once or twice every week the past couple weeks, and we've made a tree or two every time. My blue dog is really starting to hunt hard. The past few times she's struck before the Walker, and she sounds like she's slap blistering the track for a few minutes. Then she'll almost sound treed for a few, and she just kind of drops it. I can't figure out what's going on there. We still haven't seen a coon, but several of the trees could have been dens or were thick enough to make it really hard to see one. I've also noticed that a couple times when our old Walker has treed my blue dog won't run the track or tree with him. She might be near the tree when we get to him, but she is absolutely NOT barking on it. Surprisingly enough those have been the trees we did think were slick. So, I'm pretty convinced my bluetick isn't the one that's bad about slick treeing, but I do wish she'd stay on some of those tracks longer. Do y'all think that's something she might come out of as I keep hunting her, especially if I get her out there alone?

Posted by mjflores on 06-01-2009 04:15 AM:

I always hang the feeder on a tree about as thick around as a baseball bat, then using a saw, I cut the tree about 5 feet up from the ground. This way, if they're treeing on a bucket...you'll know for sure there cant be a coon on that one. Funny thing is, if you have a real large tree nearby the dogs will usually tree on that, with the coon.

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Posted by dean mace on 06-01-2009 04:52 AM:

TREED

SEEN IT LOT LATELY LEAVES ARE GETTING HARD TOO SEE AFTER THE FIRST COUPLE LIMBS THERE HARD TO SEE,HUNT THEM BLUE DOGS. WALKER, SEEN THREE WALKERS ONE WIN FROM NIGHT CH. TREE 8 TREES THATS [TREES] SAT. NIGHT COONS SEEN 0 .LAST DROP THE [HANDLERS MADE ONE NEST] NEVER SEEN ANY EYES.BUT WE WERE IN WATER 1-3FT DEEP SOME TIMES RIVERS FLOODED LEAVES ARE FULL THIS YEAR, MOMA COON WILL LAY HER KITTENS UP TO THERE HARD TO SEE.BOYS JUST JOKING ABOUT THEM WALKERS THEY ARE SOME VERY GOOD ONE AROUND THESE DAYS.I SEEN GOOD BAD IN ALL KINDS.

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Posted by SCBluetickGal on 06-01-2009 02:23 PM:

MJ, that's not a bad idea. I believe I've only got a bucket on 1 "big" tree right now though. Believe it or not the time they treed on the bucket it was in a tree that you could see right to the top of-not very high at all. There again on that tree you could see the water where the coon had come out of the dam and run up the side of it, but the only thing I can figure is he went to the top and crawled over to one of the bigger trees. There were some close enough to do that. Ever since they've been at least 70 yards or more from the buckets when they treed.

Here they are at the tree they made Friday in the swamp bottom. This was the tree I was pretty certain a coon was in, but the top was so thick we couldn't see, as usual.

Posted by ST_CRK_KENNELS on 06-01-2009 02:40 PM:

The best feeder that I have found. Take an old tire on a wheel. It must be able to hold water. cut 4 or 5 holes 1-1/2" in diameter in one of the side walls. Throw it on the ground where you want it, fill it with shelled corn and water and let it sour. It will take a couple of days to attrack them, but they will come, trust me I feed about 200 lbs. a week out of my feeders.

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Posted by mjflores on 06-01-2009 03:07 PM:

I keep meaning to try the tire and wet corn feeder. During the warm months it's allot cheaper than the cheapest dog food.

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Posted by ST_CRK_KENNELS on 06-01-2009 03:27 PM:

I keep mine filled all year. When they know where it is they always come back. Also if you really want to get that tire to stinking add about 3 or 4 cups of milo to it.

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