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Why Buy A Pup If ?

EVERY POST THAT YOU LOOK AT OF ALL THE BREEDS ,THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE SELLING A NICE BRED PUP THATS YOUNG AND THEY ALWAYS SAY ,THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN MESSED WITH,OR IM SELLING IT CAUSE I HAVE OTHERS THAT I LIKE BETTER BUT ITS NOT BEEN MESSED WITH.THERES LOTS OF NICE PUPS AND YOUNG DOGS OUT THERE FORSALE THAT WOULD OF PROBLY MADE A NICE HOUND,BUT HAVENT BEEN MESSED WITH.I DONT KNOW WHY GUYS BUY GOOD PUPS LIKE THAT THEN LET THEM WASTE AWAY IN A PEN ,RIGHT NOW I HAVE 2 LABS FOR DUCK HUNTIN,6 COYOTE HOUNDS ,8 COONHOUNDS WITH 5 OF THE COON HOUNDS BEING 4 TO 5 MONTHS OLD ,THEY ARE MESSED WITH EVERYDAY ,WALKED IN THE WOODS ,AND ARE STARTIN TO TRAIL AND TREE ,AND I WORK A 8 HOUR A DAY JOB BUT STILL MESS WITH ALL THE DOGS THAT I HAVE ,ITS JUST SAD TO SEE ALL THESE NICE DOGS FOR SALE CAUSE THERE OWNER DONT DO THEM JUSTICE,IF A PERSON DONT HAVE TIME FOR THEM THEY SHOULDNT BUY THEM,BUT SOMETIMES YA CAN GET A GOOD DEAL ON A NICE PUP,,,,,,ITS DEER SEASON AND CANT COONHUNT,IM BORED SO I JUST WANTED SOMETHIN TO TYPE ABOUT,

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RON MAGGART FIELDON ILLINOIS
{TEAM BIBLE THUMPER}
ALWAYS REMEMBER GOD GAVE US FRIENDS AND COONHOUNDS, " I AM A GREATLY BLESSED",HIGHLY FAVORED" " IMPERFECT BUT FORGIVEN CHILD OF GOD "KEEP YOUR {FAITH IN GOD } FAITH SEES THE INVISIBLE,BELIEVES THE INCREDIBLE,AND RECIEVES THE IMPOSSIBLE. WERE BLESSED !!

Good point Ron. I have a buddy that complains because his young dogs dont do as good as ours yet he only takes his out 4 or 5 times a year! Makes me feel sorry for his dogs,

HEY ROGER

YA KNOW ,,ALMOST ANY DOG IF HANDELED AND HUNTED NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE THEY WILL MAKE SOME KIND OF DOG IF JUST GIVEN A CHANCE,,AND GUYS LIKE YOUR FRIEND YOU GET OUT OF YOUR DOG JUST WHAT YA PUT IN TO IT,IF ITS HUNTED JUST SOME THERE ONLY GONA DO JUST SOME .AND THEN THERE DISSAPOINTED CAUSE THEY DONT DO MUCH,TREAT A DOG RIGHT HUNT THEM AND THEY WILL PERFORM FOR YOU

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RON MAGGART FIELDON ILLINOIS
{TEAM BIBLE THUMPER}
ALWAYS REMEMBER GOD GAVE US FRIENDS AND COONHOUNDS, " I AM A GREATLY BLESSED",HIGHLY FAVORED" " IMPERFECT BUT FORGIVEN CHILD OF GOD "KEEP YOUR {FAITH IN GOD } FAITH SEES THE INVISIBLE,BELIEVES THE INCREDIBLE,AND RECIEVES THE IMPOSSIBLE. WERE BLESSED !!

One of the saddest things that I see over and over again in this sport is some poor hound standing in his own crap in a 6x10 pen and the owner says " he has only been out 3 times in his life'' ... It about makes me sick.. It is like a prison sentence to hell for that dog..

Bottom line is ,, dont buy them unless you intend to use them AND dont breed them unless there is a desire to own them and a use for them!!!!!!!

Good post Ron......

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Mark Reavis
Southwest Missouri
Dual Grand Champion Super Sambo

Ron, I agree with you, I catch myself seeing alot of real good bred pups on here and think man I need to get one of em but know I wouldnt be able to give em the chance they deserve..

I have a 12 and 9 month old that are out of my females that need more time in the woods than I've been able to give em and it would be plain stupid on my part to get another pup untill these 2 are trained..

great post!!

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I've always been like this ever since i got my first hound. it kills me to hear them barking in the pen wanting to go hunting so i always get off my a$$ and take them.

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yep

if you can't do em justice don't own em and certainly don't breed em.. Use some common sense !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I also agree with you, that's why I have only one for now. Went half on a pup last year and before we got home from the Grand American my buddy talked me out of my half. His daughter loves the pup, and we run it with my dog so I get to see her progress anyways. With work and college I only have a couple nights a week to go, so there is no way I could hunt 4-5 dogs. Unless I hunted all of them at once, then knowing my luck they would split in 4-5 different directions and all be 1-2 miles out.

I will admit though, for fear of my dog's safety and the desire not to spend the rest of my life in prison I stay out of the woods the 2 weeks of deer season. Unfortunately their are a few that pose as hunters and are true idiots. I've even heard guys say during deer season collar or no collar they will shoot a dog. They think any dog even a broke coondog will run a deer if given a chance. Of course these are also the guys who have the mentality "If its brown its down"

thats why the dog is for sale is because they dont have time for them my job is like that one month no over time next month 100 hrs of unexpected ot but guess what if I only take my hounds out 3 times in a month thats MY business NOT YOURS because their MY dogs I guess what im trying to say is if its not yours dont worry about this world would be a whole lot better off if everyone would mind their own business and worry about themselves and not about what everyone else is doing or have or not doing for that matter

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Originally posted by plottpower
thats why the dog is for sale is because they dont have time for them my job is like that one month no over time next month 100 hrs of unexpected ot but guess what if I only take my hounds out 3 times in a month thats MY business NOT YOURS because their MY dogs I guess what im trying to say is if its not yours dont worry about this world would be a whole lot better off if everyone would mind their own business and worry about themselves and not about what everyone else is doing or have or not doing for that matter

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Originally posted by jerry chapman
Ron you either struck a nerve or someone is guilty of what your talking about.......

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Mark Reavis
Southwest Missouri
Dual Grand Champion Super Sambo

I've turned down free puppies that are bred right,but i know my limits.....too many pups means something aint gettin hunted right!!

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Re: HEY ROGER

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Originally posted by Riverbottom Ron
YA KNOW ,,ALMOST ANY DOG IF HANDELED AND HUNTED NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE THEY WILL MAKE SOME KIND OF DOG IF JUST GIVEN A CHANCE,,

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Originally posted by plottpower
thats why the dog is for sale is because they dont have time for them my job is like that one month no over time next month 100 hrs of unexpected ot but guess what if I only take my hounds out 3 times in a month thats MY business NOT YOURS because their MY dogs I guess what im trying to say is if its not yours dont worry about this world would be a whole lot better off if everyone would mind their own business and worry about themselves and not about what everyone else is doing or have or not doing for that matter

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HEY JERRY AND ROGER

JERRY, I REALY BELIEVE I STRUCK A NERVE IN THAT GENTELMAN ALSO,AND ROGER LIKE YOU SAID IF THOSE DOGS COULD TALK,THERE WOULD PROBLY BE SOME GUYS THAT WOULD WANT TO SHOOT THEM JUST SO THEY WOULDNT BE TOLD ON,AND MIKE RICH4 IVE BEEN SERIOUS ABOUT HUNTIN MANY YEARS AND LOT OF MY FRIENDS ON HER WILL TELL YA HOW EASY I AM TO PLEASE,SOMETIMES YA GOT A BE SMARTER THAN THE DOGS YOUR TRAINING,,,MAN I BETTER GET BACK TO SOME SERIOUS COONHUNTIN TONIGHT CAUSE IM MAKIN A FEW PEOPLE UPSET,SORRY IF I OFFENED ANYONE ,LATER AND YA ALL HAVE A BLESSED DAY!

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RON MAGGART FIELDON ILLINOIS
{TEAM BIBLE THUMPER}
ALWAYS REMEMBER GOD GAVE US FRIENDS AND COONHOUNDS, " I AM A GREATLY BLESSED",HIGHLY FAVORED" " IMPERFECT BUT FORGIVEN CHILD OF GOD "KEEP YOUR {FAITH IN GOD } FAITH SEES THE INVISIBLE,BELIEVES THE INCREDIBLE,AND RECIEVES THE IMPOSSIBLE. WERE BLESSED !!

Ron, I can tell that you really give your dogs lots of attention, I bet they are some happy hounds and they perform well for you!

I know all too well that it is very, very easy to get too many hounds to mess with all of them, and usually they are of good breeding. But, if I see that I cannot afford to keep them or do not have the time to put into a good prospect then I don't even bother getting it. It's just a waste when someone else could be giving it the time it needs.

We hunt 4-6 nights a week and we have 8 coon hounds all ranging in ages 5 months to 12 years. We also have 120 acres of our own land with lots of woods, creeks and fields so they all get a good amount of my time.....I want it to be that way though, If they weren't getting my time I wouldn't have any dogs.

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UKC Licensed Bench Show Judge

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CH Crystal Springs Dear Darla
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GRNITECH CH PR Jamie's Trashy Big John
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In Fond Memory of:
NITECH CH PR Jamie's Trashy Hightech Redneck
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NITECH CH PR Gimme Three Steps Mister

Often times people will tell you that they have not messed with a hound, when in actuality they have, and the hound failed to perform. They are afraid that if they tell the truth they will not be able to get shed of that hound.
Sad fact is that some hounds just wont ever make any kind of a hunting dog, no matter how much time is spent with them.
Thats one reason that I do not fool with pups, there is nothing more frustrating than spending Three Hundred dollars on a well bred pup, spending a fortune raising it, in gas, feed, vet bills, and time in general, not to mention the wait till its old eneough and then about a year later figuring out that the pup just aint gonna make it. Your out a Couple of Thousand dollars, and you still have to get rid of the dog, to get another one and start over again.
If your patient, and hunt from time to time you will have hounds offered to you, and a grown hound, even one that has never left the pen, will either pick it up quick, or not at all, and will save you a ton of money. Just my opinion.

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if you struck a nerve or offended me i would have let you know my point is mind your business and quit worrying about everybody else if its not yours who cares actually i did just sell a plott pup because the time leading to when i bought and a short time after that i had the time then the ot exploded now the pup is sold and now i have all kinds of time (besides the horrible indiana weather) but if a persons wants to own 50 dogs or 1 dog its up to them i currently own 2 hounds

I have wondered when you see someone selling a young dog that hasnt been messed with because of lack of time, then a couple posts later they say might consider trade for a different dog???? If you put the time in and have patience I think you can find a hounds strengths, JMO. I have one now I have had a couple months,she was a year when I got her and lived in a city as a pet. She didnt seem to come to far earlier his fall when we were coon hunting she would barely leave my feet. I take her to the woods a lot mostly during the day to let her out. The other morning I tryed bobcat hunting with her ,niether of us have done it. She got on a track and went a long way on it by her self. Next year maybe she will get going good on coon? I think there is so much talk on dogs starting so young some people want a dog treeing from birth. Sorry for getting so long winded I could go a long time on this , all just my opinions hope noone is offended.

I have watched this one buddy of mine purchase atleast 15 dogs. and puts them in his kennel and there they sit. he purchased a realy nice young started dog he paid somwhere around 2500. hunted her 10 to12 times then let her sit for atleast one year. then took her out she was so kennel sour it was just sickning. he sold her to a buddy.he had her for about a month now she is a spectaculer dog. but he only got 300 for her it seves him rights sorry about the babble.

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Originally posted by MikeO
I've always been like this ever since i got my first hound. it kills me to hear them barking in the pen wanting to go hunting so i always get off my a$$ and take them.

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If you want coondogs and good ones, you cannot keep a yard full of losers. Every single dog that comes to this house gets a very fair shot at pleasing me. If they don't, they don't. I hate wasted potential more than anything, but keeping something with no potential to me is just as dumb.

Right now I don't really have a good dog to hunt and I haven't been out hardly at all. I do have a 5 month old, and a 5 week old. When there times comes they will be hunted and hunted hard ie given a chance. They either take that chance and run with it or they don't. If I give them a hundred nights in the woods in 5 months, chance over......I either like you or I don't, but once they are done I might be ready for another break.

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Ron Ashbaugh
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I don't worry about what others do with their pups.

I feel like if I produced the pup, then it is my business what happens to them. I take it personally when one of mine doesn't turn out or gets some age on them and all of a sudden come up for sale, for little or nothing.

So, for those that do come up for sale for little or nothing, where is the breeder that produced them? Where is the stud owner? Maybe these people need to step up to the plate and either buy the dog and make something of it, buy it and cull it, or somehow help get it in the hands of a coonhunter. Their reputation is at stake and blaming the person that bought it doesn't always cut it.

I've bought several back, was able to improve them and sell them for substantially more. I can't do that will all of them, but a breeder that won't show some interest in what they produced in the years after the sale, isn't much of a breeder, imo.

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