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Posted by doubl N kennel on 04-26-2017 12:51 AM:

fireball

any fireball hounds left out there or has the line dried up

Posted by thecoondawg76 on 04-26-2017 04:53 AM:

Nothing dried up about it.

A pile of em out there tearing up the hunts. The hounds that got 7th and 5th in the UKC World Hunt had a decent amount of Fireball in them. Some have more than others. Shoot I produced some pups a few years ago that were so line bred on Fireball by blood percentage it was like Fireball was their dad. Got a litter I plan to do in a couple of years that will have Fireball in them 31 times and some as close as 4th generation. Most of the hounds I currently have are around a 32% blood relation to Fireball. That's a good closer than Fireball being their grandad.

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Handler of:
NtCh GrCh "PR" Dan Langston (Has 2 wins towards GrNtCh in the hunts) ( 10yr old owner asked for me to bring him back to his home) (wouldn't sell) (Ch D8 Dozer (bear hound from all coondog stock, out of my breeding) x NtCh Music/ Kitty) (33% Fireball thru heavy line breeding the highest GrNtCh Fireball blooded hound alive, who is hunt titled )

Home of:
'PR' Atomic Fireball's Harry Lady (GrNtCh. Barnyard Horse Harry x GrCh Daisy (was the highest Fireball blooded female alive)

'PR' Atomic Fireball's Toes ('PR' Atomic Fireball's Fast Talker (nephew to Bookem Danno) x 'PR' Atomic Fireball's Harry Lady

'PR' Atomic Fireball's Little Dixie (NtCh GrCh. 'PR' Dan Langston x 'PR'Harry Lady)

'PR' Atomic Fireball's Two Toes (NtCh GrCh Dan Langston x Atomic Fireball's Toes
Didn't have the deep hunt style I like but is a solid coonhound. Been treeing her own since her second night in the woods at 8 months old.

Former home of:
(Qualified for the 2011 World Hunt) NtCh. 'PR'Swann's Lonesome Red Music/ Kitty RIP (NtCh.Twister's Musical Red Huey x NtCh. Sawblade Red Reckon) RIP

GrNtCh Fireball's Jackpot Jackie, highest placing Redbone female ever, in the UKC World Hunt . RIP

GrCh. 'PR' Atomic Fireball's Little Daisy RIP (Was the highest GrNtCh Fireball blooded female in the world at the time) (Qualified for the 2010 World Show).

'PR' Atomic Fireball's Red River (Daisy x Brown's Oklahoma Twister) RIP (heatstroke)

Ch. D-8 Dozer (Was the Highest blooded GrNtCh Fireball blooded male in the world until I had the GrNtCh Twister pups from here) Was sent to be bear hunted because of his size and me being disabled. RIP

First and only sons of the Old GrNtCh #7 Historical Reproducer Brown's Okl. Twister (the #1 Producing Son of Fireball) in 15 years..

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Posted by doubl N kennel on 04-26-2017 10:59 PM:

thanks I was just curious I have a young female I'm starting now that's heavy fireball and drum breeding

Posted by rilestrademark on 05-03-2017 03:03 AM:

Fireball

Can anyone post seven generation pedigree on fireball? Or more?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-03-2017 01:31 PM:

I don't think they had 7 gen pedigrees back then.

Posted by rilestrademark on 05-03-2017 07:25 PM:

Fireball

You are probably right Richard. All I have ever seen was a three gen on him. Just curious as I have not dealt with red dogs very long and I am putting together the pieces some of you have already completed in this puzzle. Thanks!

Posted by doubl N kennel on 05-03-2017 11:54 PM:

ya I haven't ever seen a 7 gen pedigree on fireball

Posted by jdgher on 05-04-2017 05:35 AM:

Pedigrees

Im pretty sure they've had big pedigrees since the mid 80's and before. I have a couple 6 generation pedigree from 1987, one is from a son of Fireball.

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NTCH PR' Twisters Musical Red Huey DNA-VIP Perf Sire 06'07 Deceased 11/07
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NTCH. CH PR' SawBlade Red Reckon
NTCH. CH PR' Gher's Timber Mt. Brandy
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GRNTCH PR' Daugherty's Red BUBBA
NTCH CH PR' BA'S Tree Top Rockin Griddle
NTCH PR' Lickcreek Backwoods Lil Red Annie

Posted by thecoondawg76 on 05-04-2017 06:39 AM:

I got some papers somewhere around here.

That litter of Twister pups put Fireball as their grandad with a pile of times behind that but those I think I got a 7 gen pedigree on somewhere around here. That would give ya a 4 generation pedigree of him. Will see what I can find. I know he went back to NtCh Swing Red Rock who thru a lot of go in his pups and GrNtCh Parks Cherokee Red which was apparently a whale of a tree dog.

Posted by ahallada on 05-04-2017 06:48 AM:

I've hunted with a bunch of those Fireball dogs and the best I've hunted with was the Turbo dog that is living now that Tim Grigsby owns. He was impressive.

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1988 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner
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Gr.Nt.Ch. Bussrow Bottom Brandy II
1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
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1992 Wisconsin State Champion
1994 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex
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2016 PKC Texas State Race Winner
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PKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Coffman's Smokin Red Buck
2016 UKC World Hunt 5th Place and World Champion Redbone
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Gr.Nt.Ch. Reinhart's Central Page
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Brandy II)

Gr.Nt.Ch. Too the Maxx
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Jenkins Crying Katie)
1992 National Redbone Days Champion

Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Ambraw River Rock
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Hersh's Huntin Red Kate)
1992 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex

Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle
1986 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner

Nt.Ch. Timber Mace
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack X Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle)
Mother of Gr.Nt.Ch. Babb's Hazel

Nt. Ch. Timber Shock
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Jessie)

Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Squaw Mountain Goldie
(Direct Daughter of Gr.Nt.Ch.Smokey Mountain Brandy)
1990 Autumn Oaks Best of Show Winner
1988 Indiana State Champion

Posted by thecoondawg76 on 05-04-2017 07:08 AM:

Found em!

-------PR Turrentines Red Skoomer
------PR Beverages Red Duke
-------PR Turrentines Red Gypsy Gal
-----GrNtCh PR Georges Red Bugg
-------PR Chomels Red Marvel
------PR Osage Rose
-------PR Chomels Red Rose

-----PR Raefs Red Flyer

-------PR Indian Creek Red Ranger
------PR Lories Jodi
-------PR Indian Creek Red Lady
-----PR Hubbards Princess Red
-------NtCh PR Lovins Red Duke
------PR Geisters Old Red Belle
-------Ch PR Lovins Red Moss

That's a quarter of it. I have to do this kind of work in spells. So I will come back tomorrow and work on it some more. May take a day or two but I found the papers and will get it all typed out. Keep in mind also that most of what I am putting on here is some extremely old blood.

Posted by thecoondawg76 on 05-04-2017 04:20 PM:

Round #2 Some of these hounds have C 400 and 500 thousand registration numbers.

-------PR Red Man
------PR St. Clairs Red
-------Ch PR Red Ginger
-----Wares Joker
-------NtCh Tall Timber Buzz
------NtCh Tall Timber Red Star
-------PR Clouses Gallant Lady

----NtCh Gray Ravens Red Tessie

-------Mack
------Houstons Tenn. Red
-------Queen
-----Thomas Sally
-------NtCh PR Tuckers Red Mac Jr.
------PR Kansas Queen
-------Ch PR Bruces Tenn. Polly

Posted by thecoondawg76 on 05-04-2017 04:44 PM:

Round 3. Got to looking more than half are C 400 or 500 numbers

-------PR Penicks Red Wrighter II
------PR Turleys Big Red
-------PR Red Ruby
-----Ch PR Klingels Big Major
-------NtCh PR Twin Creek Bill
------PR Goodrichs Mandy
-------PR Twin Creek Penny

-----GrNtCh PR Parks Cherokee Red (believe it was Dave Dean the big Bluetick man, that said after seeing Red hunt that the Redbone World needed to basically breed everything they had to him after seeing him tree.)

-------PR Jungle Joe (figure this one might go back to Jungle Jim)
------PR Swartzs Bugle
-------PR Bucks Lou Belle
-----PR Klingels Red Daisy
-------PR Missouri Red Rock
------PR Southfork River Pam
-------PR Painters Red Ginger

Posted by thecoondawg76 on 05-04-2017 05:10 PM:

Round 4. I'll copy and paste once I have these together and combine em.

-------NtCh PR Swing Red Rock (had all the go power in the world) (Brown's Twister was double this hound also) (the CD hounds go back heavy to this hound too) (Sire of Tall Timber Talker also)
------NtCh PR Clouses Silvertone Jet
-------NtCh PR Roberts Red Kate
-----PR Mills Red Hawk
-------PR Lufcys Red Wrighter III
------PR Clouses Silvertone Bell
-------PR Lufcy's Little Margie

----PR Parks Red Rosie

-------Ch NtCh PR Mississippi Mack
------Ch PR Leos Moonlight Rambler
-------PR Moss Midnight Lady
-----PR Parks Green Valley Penny
-------PR Red Robin Jr.
------PR Leos Moonlight Jully
-------PR Joes Red Judy

Posted by thecoondawg76 on 05-04-2017 05:30 PM:

Got it done.

Fireball's 5 Gen Pedigree:

-------PR Turrentines Red Skoomer
------PR Beverages Red Duke
-------PR Turrentines Red Gypsy Gal
-----GrNtCh PR Georges Red Bugg
-------PR Chomels Red Marvel
------PR Osage Rose
-------PR Chomels Red Rose

----PR Raefs Red Flyer (Have been told he was a very nice hound)

-------PR Indian Creek Red Ranger
------PR Lories Jodi
-------PR Indian Creek Red Lady
-----PR Hubbards Princess Red
-------NtCh PR Lovins Red Duke
------PR Geisters Old Red Belle
-------Ch PR Lovins Red Moss

---PR Melton's Big Red

-------PR Red Man
------PR St. Clairs Red
-------Ch PR Red Ginger
-----Wares Joker
-------NtCh Tall Timber Buzz
------NtCh Tall Timber Red Star (both his parents might go back to NtCh Swing Red Rock)
-------PR Clouses Gallant Lady

----NtCh Gray Ravens Red Tessie

-------Mack
------Houstons Tenn. Red
-------Queen
-----Thomas Sally
-------NtCh PR Tuckers Red Mac Jr.
------PR Kansas Queen
-------Ch PR Bruces Tenn. Polly

*GrNtCh PR Melton's Red Fire Ball* (Won AKC/ACHA Reserve World Champion Male, 1985 National Redbone Days Champion, also the former #1 historical producing redbone male. Been dead to long to be on any list now).

-------PR Penicks Red Wrighter II
------PR Turleys Big Red
-------PR Red Ruby
-----Ch PR Klingels Big Major
-------NtCh PR Twin Creek Bill
------PR Goodrichs Mandy
-------PR Twin Creek Penny

-----GrNtCh PR Parks Cherokee Red (believe it was Dave Dean the big Bluetick man, that said after seeing Red hunt that the Redbone World needed to basically breed everything they had to him after seeing him tree.)

-------PR Jungle Joe (figure this one might go back to Jungle Jim)
------PR Swartzs Bugle
-------PR Bucks Lou Belle
-----PR Klingels Red Daisy
-------PR Missouri Red Rock
------PR Southfork River Pam
-------PR Painters Red Ginger

---PR Millsap's Red Sussie

-------NtCh PR Swing Red Rock (had all the go power in the world) (Brown's Twister was double this hound also) (the CD hounds go back heavy to this hound too) (Sire of Tall Timber Talker also)
------NtCh PR Clouses Silvertone Jet
-------NtCh PR Roberts Red Kate
-----PR Mills Red Hawk
-------PR Lufcys Red Wrighter III
------PR Clouses Silvertone Bell
-------PR Lufcy's Little Margie

----PR Parks Red Rosie

-------Ch NtCh PR Mississippi Mack
------Ch PR Leos Moonlight Rambler
-------PR Moss Midnight Lady
-----PR Parks Green Valley Penny
-------PR Red Robin Jr.
------PR Leos Moonlight Jully
-------PR Joes Red Judy

Posted by thecoondawg76 on 05-04-2017 06:18 PM:

Fireball blood.

There are really 4 main sources of this blood now that I am familiar with. Of course Joe Melton himself; then all my buddies who have worked together up in Michigan, Illinois and Indiana; Preston Owens, and me. I have benefited great from the help I have received from all my friends up North. The closest things alive to Fireball is 3 brothers, the other died of heat stroke, that came from Twister semen that was 12 or more years old and my GrCh Daisy female, who at the time her and her brother, Ch D-8 Dozer, were the 2 highest GrNtCh Fireball blooded hounds in the world, at 43.75%. Daisy died of dehydration when I was off for Kids camp for our church and the temps were over 100 every day and my wife never watered my hounds. I saved her daughter but couldn't save her. She should have had a Hunt title but that cut that off. Those frozen semen hounds are a 48% blood relation to Fireball were as a direct son is 50%. They are so line bred it is like GrNtCh Twister and GrNtCh Fireball is their dad at the same time.
Outside of those Twister pups I had a litter here from out of that litter from Twister and a NtCh female named Music/ Kitty, I came to own that my buddies up North had bred up. She was heavy on the old dog along with the Yellow River stuff and Sawblade Fiddle. Those would be about a 35% blood relation to Fireball. Forgot about this litter until today. :-) The next highest blooded Fireball litter would be the litter the current male I have and am titling. I bred the NtCh Music / Kitty from above to the D-8 Dozer hound mentioned above. These are a 32% blood relation to Fireball. I have a young female here now that is looking real nice. She is a great niece of GrNtCh Bookem Danno, goes back to the NtCh Music / Kitty female, GrCh Daisy mentioned above, and GrNtCh Barnyard Horse Harry. I plan to breed her back to the male I just started pushing, after I breed her GrNtCh Turbo (Guitars Ghost x Jackpot Jackie) and when I do those pups will have Fireball in them like 31 times.

Posted by rilestrademark on 05-04-2017 11:54 PM:

Fireball

Thank you sir! I know this took a lot of time..

Posted by thecoondawg76 on 05-05-2017 01:34 AM:

You are welcome

I needed to do that anyway just been putting it off. Outside of Me, Harry, Darin, Jeff, Rose Mary, and Joe would be about the only ones that might have a set of papers around that would have this. I'm sure there are some random folks out there that might have it but those would be the only ones I know of. So to get this info one of us was going to have to find the papers for it. My guess would be Danny Mckelsky might have more on some of these hounds also.

Posted by thecoondawg76 on 05-06-2017 10:14 PM:

Congrats!

Sounds awesome! Always good to see Red dogs winning.

Posted by tylerman on 05-07-2017 06:51 PM:

Congrats..you on a rool

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Posted by thecoondawg76 on 05-08-2017 04:34 AM:

Congrats Larry!

Had this stuff for a long time as have several others up your way and it consistently has us in the winners circle. Many on the hardwood and the plywood. Most importantly though they love competition and have drive.

Posted by thecoondawg76 on 05-08-2017 04:48 AM:

"PR" Dan Langston, Won Best of Show and got a 1st Place in the Nite Hunt!

So Dan is now a Show Champion and just needs to win a few more cast wins to be a NtCh. Dan is a combination of the Fireball hounds I have been breeding down here for over 20 years with help from mainly Ed Brown and Harry Oumedian but also several others up North. Combined with all my buddies up North working together to breed in on all this Fireball blood for over 20 years also. So not only does he have a pile of Fireball blood, 32%, but also he literally has over 40 years of breeding behind him with all those people working together and striving to breed top level hunting hounds that can consistently keep them in the winners circle.

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