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Question on off game ?

If dogs A & B tree off game, (Nite Champs) dog C is out running. Judge and rest of cast are at off game tree, dog C comes into tree. Is dog C scratched or his he going huntin by himself ?

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Okay does he take any minus ? On the track.

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Originally posted by Todd Miller
Okay does he take any minus ? On the track.

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Strike circled, not deleted.

Makes no sense to me why it's circled. How can you circle something like that? They should just be deleted.

So youre telling me that if at the end of a hunt me and another handler both have no minus points, and were tied on plus tree points and plus strike points but his dog has more circle points because it came into a opossume tree so he gets the win????????? That rule needs some looking at.

I'm not telling you anything except that strike points are circled in that situation.

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Originally posted by SLICK50
Makes no sense to me why it's circled. How can you circle something like that? They should just be deleted.

So youre telling me that if at the end of a hunt me and another handler both have no minus points, and were tied on plus tree points and plus strike points but his dog has more circle points because it came into a opossume tree so he gets the win????????? That rule needs some looking at.

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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
That's the way it works....

Now, please show me, tell me, or demonstrate to me where there is any kind of guarantee that at the end of a hunt, the best dog in the cast always has the highest score!

The fastest car on the track doesn't always win, the team with the best free throw and field goal shooting percentage does not always win..... I'm sure you can think of some other examples....

AS SOON AS WE ALL REALIZE THAT COMPETITION HUNTING IS A PAST TIME AND NOT THE BEST MEASURE OF A DOGS ABILITY...THE BETTER OFF WE WILL ALL BE.

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I dissagree I believe that dog quit its track and should be minused! I understand the rules but this one is a bunch of BS in my opinion. That dog should either get scratched or minused.

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Originally posted by Frank M
I dissagree I believe that dog quit its track and should be minused! I understand the rules but this one is a bunch of BS in my opinion. That dog should either get scratched or minused.

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Originally posted by SLICK50
Oak it sounds like you have lost one to many casts and hate the hunts.
I rather enjoy them when every-one is honest and gets along no matter if i win or loose. And NO those strike points should be deleted not circled. That rule makes absolutley NO sense!!!

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Yes i get youre point but you cannot say the better dog did not win this or that cast UNLESS you were there on each cast. We all know there are dogs that have no business being Nite Ch let alone Grand. Look at the ways a handler has to wuin a cast.

1) Honestly had the better dog

2) Cheated his way into the win (which sadly happens alot)

3) Other hanlers screwed up and allowed the other dog to win

But any way you look at it the dog was either out hunted or out handled. The loosers that is

i sent this very question in to rules change meeting. i feel if a dog comes in to a scratchable tree after judge arrives that dog needs to be scratched too. if that dog comes into a minus tree after judge arrives that dog should get minus strike & next avalable position on tree.

ether this dog quit its track or just to slow ether way this dog is in the same place as the dogs getting scratched or minused & should receive the same & not rewarded for coming in late !!

i have said on hear before i think this is the most unfair rule in UKC hunts.

Yep, I agree that anytime a dog struck in covers late, we need the rule to minus those strike points. It shouldn't matter how the tree ends up being scored, you get there after the tree is closed, strike should be minused. But that isn't the rule. The rule says circle the strike points. That is the only point I was trying to make.

Ok JiM I apologize for the misunderstanding I see now we feel the same about this subject

I think the rule should stay as is. once the handlers arrive at the tree a dog gets a pass on coming in. I hate a mee too dog or a dog that covers late as much as anyone but consider the alternative, during shine time its pretty hard for a judge to keep track of what everybudy is doing and if some of these guys can get you minused by enticing a dog in i think you would see alot of hanky panky going on under those trees. Although probably delete would be better than circle.

If you want to catch these cover dogs a better way would be to change the rule that reads they will be minus for quitting track and (coming in). ,weve all seen it a thousand times A. and B. are working a track ahead and C. and D. are working a track behind. A. and B. fall treed and C. and D. come charging past the handlers to go cover the other dogs tree and the judge cant minus because they didnt stop to say hi.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
If you want to catch these cover dogs a better way would be to change the rule that reads they will be minus for quitting track and (coming in). ,weve all seen it a thousand times A. and B. are working a track ahead and C. and D. are working a track behind. A. and B. fall treed and C. and D. come charging past the handlers to go cover the other dogs tree and the judge cant minus because they didnt stop to say hi.

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the dog that comes into the tree that is scored to be off game also gets scratched to!!! read the rules and know them!!!!
it helps!!!! a nt.ch can not be there or come into a tree that is a off game tree!!!! trust me!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by BILLY COLLINS
the dog that comes into the tree that is scored to be off game also gets scratched to!!! read the rules and know them!!!!
it helps!!!! a nt.ch can not be there or come into a tree that is a off game tree!!!! trust me!!!!!!!!!!!

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I see there is someone else asking the same question, I beat them to it!! lol