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Posted by longshot on 12-18-2008 12:58 AM:

Question about performance sires....

The deadline for paying up a sire is fast approaching jan 1st. I am debateing nominating my dog at this time becasue some have shown interest in breeding , but there are no garrantees in breeding any females.

My question is; Is it a good idea to pay the nimination fee's now and hold off on buying the DNA kit at $49 to wait and see if anyone does decide to breed later in the year? I realize that it will show paid up , but DNA pending... This method would cost the $100 nomination fee and if no females came during the year , I just would not DNA him.

The alternative would be to wait and see if any females came to breed , but then it would cost much more to pay up later with penaltys.

Which route would you go under these circumstances???

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Posted by johnsoncreekblu on 12-18-2008 01:22 AM:

MARK,

GO AHEAD AND PERFORMANCE HIM. IF ONE PUP OUT OF HIM TURNS OUT IT WILL PAY FOR ITS SELF !!!!!!!!

BESIDES WITH THE MONEY YOU GOT WHATS A $149.00

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Posted by Tim MACHA on 12-18-2008 01:26 AM:

Where else can you...

get your dog and your name listed monthly for 149 bucks and a hundred bucks there after?

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Posted by longshot on 12-18-2008 02:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by johnsoncreekblu

BESIDES WITH THE MONEY YOU GOT WHATS A $149.00

Yeah all this dang money just keeps pileing up on me around here .. lol

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Posted by Laura Bell on 12-18-2008 12:28 PM:

I'm pretty positive that I read in CB that Sires paid up in the Performance Program, but pending DNA will not be listed anymore.

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 12-18-2008 01:27 PM:

Laura is correct. Performance Sires who are still pending DNA will no longer be listed until the DNA has been processed.

Posted by Casey_Lee on 12-18-2008 01:36 PM:

Mark I'd just go ahead and pay it. I mean heck when you get the DNA done the first time you are through with it, and it takes forever to process. See then next year it won't cost you but $100 to pay him up. =) JMO

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Posted by smokin-1-mo on 12-18-2008 02:14 PM:

MARK IF YOU THINK YOU WILL DO SOME BREEDING NEXT YEAR I WOULD PAY IT NOW...........

Posted by bigdwebster on 12-18-2008 02:15 PM:

Allen /ukc

Can you get a copy of dna from another kc and send it in for performance.

Posted by s/s on 12-18-2008 02:40 PM:

Re: Allen /ukc

quote:
Originally posted by bigdwebster
Can you get a copy of dna from another kc and send it in for performance.

YES, YOU CAN....I DO NOT REMEMBER THE STEPS TO TAKE, BUT AS LONG AS THE DNA WAS DONE WITH A DNA SERVICE THAT BOTH RECOGNIZE, IT CAN BE TRANSFERED EITHER WAY, WITH A FEE..

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Posted by bigdwebster on 12-18-2008 02:42 PM:

Thanks

Posted by Allen / UKC on 12-18-2008 04:06 PM:

Re: Allen /ukc

quote:
Originally posted by bigdwebster
Can you get a copy of dna from another kc and send it in for performance.

Yes, if it's through PKC. They use the same DNA lab. (MMI Genomics) You could simply send a copy of your DNA Certificate to the UKC office. There is an $8 processing fee included. So yes, if the dog is already DNA'd through PKC then by all means don't spend the extra money to do it twice.

Posted by bigdwebster on 12-18-2008 05:13 PM:

Thanks Allen

Posted by on 12-18-2008 05:29 PM:

I nominated my old dog when the program first came out. He was one of the first paid up. This was a dog that nobody else would ever breed to and I would never breed again. So far that $149.00 investment has paid me back over $1500.00 dollars and there is almost certainly more of it to come in the future. My thinking is that if you are gonna breed a bitch, then nominating the stud is the easiest decision you could ever make. It amazes me that anyone would breed to a stud that isn't in the program unless you know the pups will never compete. If you are strictly a pleasure/meat hunter then there would be no reason to nom or to even register for that matter.

Posted by smokin-1-mo on 12-18-2008 07:38 PM:

GOOD POST JIM.........AND I WOULD SAY THAT I AGREE I THINK THE PERFORMANCE PROGRAM IS SECOND TO NONE.........

Posted by blueticker on 12-18-2008 08:20 PM:

Mark, Brandon may pay for it if you breed a gyp to Ol Ben.

Posted by johnsoncreekblu on 12-19-2008 01:34 PM:

Ive hunted with marks hounds I would gladly breed to one of his black n tan females !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could probably sell the pups for $300 a piece!!!!!!

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Posted by Philip on 12-19-2008 02:50 PM:

I say if you are going to wait for other people to bring females, you may not want to do it. but if you or your buddies want to breed to him and get some pups, go ahead

Posted by Tim MACHA on 12-19-2008 02:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Philip
I say if you are going to wait for other people to bring females, you may not want to do it. but if you or your buddies want to breed to him and get some pups, go ahead

The flip side of that is: A lot of people will not breed to a dog that is not nominated. I got a breeding last spring, because the first choice dog was not a performance sire. The stud owner was telling the female owner that he was going to get him nominated, but he didn't want to take a chance on the guy keeping his word. Like I said in an earlier post, what better advertising can you get for a hundred bucks.

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Posted by longshot on 12-19-2008 06:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by johnsoncreekblu
Ive hunted with marks hounds I would gladly breed to one of his black n tan females !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could probably sell the pups for $300 a piece!!!!!!

Thanks much for the kind words...

I have decided to jump in the performance sire bussiness and get him paid up...Its not that I think a have a stud worthy of breeding , but the performance program is the way to go, just in case I decide to raise pups..

Thanks to all for the information and to Allen @UKC too..

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Posted by Tim MACHA on 12-19-2008 09:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by longshot
Thanks much for the kind words...

I have decided to jump in the performance sire bussiness and get him paid up...Its not that I think a have a stud worthy of breeding , but the performance program is the way to go, just in case I decide to raise pups..

Thanks to all for the information and to Allen @UKC too..

Thanks for pumping up the point fund. It's called 'Spreading The Wealth'.

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Posted by longshot on 12-19-2008 09:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tim MACHA
Thanks for pumping up the point fund. It's called 'Spreading The Wealth'.

Tim,,, pumping it up seems like about all I do.. lol.. I hope to drain it some this next year too.. lol

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