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????Treeing Feist vs Mt Feist

Is there a difference???????

If so what are the differences?????

If anyone could post some pics of a treeing feist and a Mt feist

I had a little short legged feist just wasnt enough dog, Does the Mt Feist have more legs??

What is the breeding that made the MT Feist??????

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Larry D Walker

Indiana

812-327-8224

Can't really or truly answer your question but I can say this about the few feists I've hunted with they seem to hunt really close and some almost under foot and I don't like that all, that's why I invested in a well bred OMC cur pup, think they range out a little farther from what I've been told but don't know that for a fact !

This is the size and build I am looking for

This little dog is what I have in mind,she wont stand under your feet and she is a squirrel treeing machine.

Not sure what her breeding is or if she meets any breed standards or if I can get her registered.

She is 20 1/4 inches at the shoulders and weighs about 20 lb what breed does she come closest to, can I get her registered. And If I was goin to try to find a male the size and build of her what breed comes the closest.

Please help!!!!!!!

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Larry D Walker

Indiana

812-327-8224

Another pic

Will she meet any breed standards?

Can She Be registered??

What breed comes the closest

20 1/4 tall

20 to 24 lbs weight

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Larry D Walker

Indiana

812-327-8224

I don't know what it is your hunting for but I'll tell you- and ole Skeeterhawk this, I've walked a LONG ways to every feist we own. If you're in thin game they'll go get treed- whatever it takes. The dog in that pic would be a tr cur- too big for a feist. We keep some tr curs as well. You want a feist that will go hunting-- they're out there

Dean Wright

Hey Dean

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Originally posted by luv2hunt08
I don't know what it is your hunting for but I'll tell you- and ole Skeeterhawk this, I've walked a LONG ways to every feist we own. If you're in thin game they'll go get treed- whatever it takes. The dog in that pic would be a tr cur- too big for a feist. We keep some tr curs as well. You want a feist that will go hunting-- they're out there

Dean Wright

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Larry D Walker

Indiana

812-327-8224

Pretty simple what I am looking for

Match the size of my female in a male that handles and trees squirrels like she does then thats it thats what I am looking for

A 20 inch at the shoulder male that is 20 to 25 lb, lighting quick at trees squirrels as fast as you can load and shoot.

THATS WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR

ALSO CAN I SINGLE REGISTER THIS FEMALE AND IF SO WHAT AS AND WHAT ASSOCIATIONS

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Larry D Walker

Indiana

812-327-8224

There are plenty of registries that will register her, just maybe not UKC. Which wouldn't bother me one bit.

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Lot of dogs in that size range but likely closer to 30# We're hunting one now 1/2 feist 1'4th hound 1/4 cur. You could single reg that dog as tr cur in NKC, WTDA, USDC. I don't know bout UKC on tr curs.
Dean Wright

Is that dog for sale???

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Originally posted by luv2hunt08
Lot of dogs in that size range but likely closer to 30# We're hunting one now 1/2 feist 1'4th hound 1/4 cur. You could single reg that dog as tr cur in NKC, WTDA, USDC. I don't know bout UKC on tr curs.
Dean Wright

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Larry D Walker

Indiana

812-327-8224

Female Larry and she'll likely die here.
Dean Wright

Sorry if u offended anyone sure didn't mean to, I know that there's plenty of good feists out there as there are curs , there's good ones and bad ones in every breed, guess what I was trying to say is that I can't stand a poot sniffing huntin dog that's hunts under your feet :-)

Larry,

If you check out the breed standards for both the Treeing Feist and the Treeing Cur, your dog falls somewhere in between both of them in some aspects.

TREEING CUR
"Height Ranges between 18 to 24 inches. Weight is 30 to 60 pounds, proportionate to height."

TREEING FEIST
"Height ranges between 10 to 18 inches. Weight ranges between 12 and 30 pounds."

Without actually seeing your dog, or more pictures, I'd say she generally fits the type of a Treeing Cur more than a Feist. I've had several Feists over the years and she doesn't really match to most I've ever seen. Not only is she taller, but her head, muzzle, and ear set are not common to the Feist type. I'm guessing she could probably be registered as a Treeing Cur but can't say for sure without seeing more pictures of her.

With all that being said, there is a wide swing of characteristics in both the Treeing Cur and Treeing Feist breeds. If you keep looking I have no doubt you'll find a male like what you are looking for. You may also find one about that size that is a registered Mt. Cur. You can breed her to him and then you would have to single register the puppies (since they would be out of two different breeds).

As far as single registration go, we try to make it as simple as possible. All you need for either a Treeing Cur or Treeing Feist is this form: http://www.ukcdogs.com/res/pdf/fo3sqtype.pdf the fee and three pictures. You don't have to go through an association or get the dog inspected like you do one of the coonhound breeds. You don't even need the pics if you can get the dog inspected through a licensed Hunt Master, Cur/Feist Bench Show Judge, or our Cur/Feist Field Rep Marty Stanton who lives in Flat Rock, Indiana.

If you have any other questions I'll be glad to help you in any way. Just send me a message, email, or give me a call.

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Mr.Frederick

I have a question concerning the breed standards

I have located 2 registered old blood Mountain Feist that fit what I am looking for as far as height, weight and build.

One is 19 inches at the shoulders and the other is 20 inches at the shoulders and both are around 20 lbs.

One is a line bred Barger feist and according to UKC's breed standards they are too tall to meet breed standards so I am more confused now than I was.

These are the size and weight of dogs that I like and are old blood generations of breeding to get the size and weight desired.

And the way I understand they are too tall to meet breed standards for a feist according to ukc.

I do not see any catagory for a Mt. Feist option in ukc and I think maybe the Mt Feist should be a different breed separate from the treeing Feist, as they seem to be a specific breed and size totally different from the treeing Feist

Is there any options that would keep these dogs from falling into a catagory kinda in the middle not really a treeing feist and not really a cur

Please help if you can

Thanks Larry

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Larry D Walker

Indiana

812-327-8224

A lot of Bargers get too big to reg as feist from the cur influence in them. Bill breeds squirrel dogs. 20" makes it a tr cur no matter the weight. If the dogs are what you want what makes the difference what they're called on paper? 18" is the height limit on feist in most reg. There are plenty in every reg that get litter reg as feist and then get too big. Most don't ever get changed to tr cur but should.
Dean Wright

The Line Bred Barger Feist

The Line Bred Barger Feist, He is a registered Mt. Feist and he is just over 20 inches at the shoulders.

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Larry D Walker

Indiana

812-327-8224

Re: Mr.Frederick

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Originally posted by Larry D Walker
I have a question concerning the breed standards

I have located 2 registered old blood Mountain Feist that fit what I am looking for as far as height, weight and build.

One is 19 inches at the shoulders and the other is 20 inches at the shoulders and both are around 20 lbs.

One is a line bred Barger feist and according to UKC's breed standards they are too tall to meet breed standards so I am more confused now than I was.

These are the size and weight of dogs that I like and are old blood generations of breeding to get the size and weight desired.

And the way I understand they are too tall to meet breed standards for a feist according to ukc.

I do not see any catagory for a Mt. Feist option in ukc and I think maybe the Mt Feist should be a different breed separate from the treeing Feist, as they seem to be a specific breed and size totally different from the treeing Feist

Is there any options that would keep these dogs from falling into a catagory kinda in the middle not really a treeing feist and not really a cur

Please help if you can

Thanks Larry

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Larry D Walker

Indiana

812-327-8224

Difference Between the two

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Originally posted by luv2hunt08
A lot of Bargers get too big to reg as feist from the cur influence in them. Bill breeds squirrel dogs. 20" makes it a tr cur no matter the weight. If the dogs are what you want what makes the difference what they're called on paper? 18" is the height limit on feist in most reg. There are plenty in every reg that get litter reg as feist and then get too big. Most don't ever get changed to tr cur but should.
Dean Wright

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Larry D Walker

Indiana

812-327-8224

No difference at all. A feist by definition of most reg is any dog under 18" and 30#. Many pups out of 2 reg feist get bigger than that and "should" be changed to tr. curs on their papers. The dog you pictured is an example of that. I don't care what folks call what we hunt, we call em' sq dogs. I don't understand why folks get hung up on what people call em' as it really don't matter- Cut em' and call em' treed when they bark. I know of several feist- some of them well known that are too big for it but still reg and hunted that way. That by the way is the main reason for it in my opinion, some registries split dogs up and hunt them by size. I won't drag a dog of any size to a hunt if I don't figure it can compete with any and everything there.
Dean Wright

Re: Mr.Frederick

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Originally posted by Larry D Walker
I have a question concerning the breed standards

I have located 2 registered old blood Mountain Feist that fit what I am looking for as far as height, weight and build.

One is 19 inches at the shoulders and the other is 20 inches at the shoulders and both are around 20 lbs.

One is a line bred Barger feist and according to UKC's breed standards they are too tall to meet breed standards so I am more confused now than I was.

These are the size and weight of dogs that I like and are old blood generations of breeding to get the size and weight desired.

And the way I understand they are too tall to meet breed standards for a feist according to ukc.

I do not see any catagory for a Mt. Feist option in ukc and I think maybe the Mt Feist should be a different breed separate from the treeing Feist, as they seem to be a specific breed and size totally different from the treeing Feist

Is there any options that would keep these dogs from falling into a catagory kinda in the middle not really a treeing feist and not really a cur

Please help if you can

Thanks Larry

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Maybe

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Originally posted by nccatfisher
Papers don't mean squat anyway. If you are going to sell them they can be registered after they are mature enough to determine size by the owner. Or you can litter register them from the start.

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Larry D Walker

Indiana

812-327-8224