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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 04-14-2012 01:00 AM:

Explain this

http://source1news.com/news-blog/in...n/#.T4XVc9nmcUW
Another shooting, but where is the outrage. No arrest. Shooter not charged. How many people read about this one. Where is Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder, Obama now.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-14-2012 01:12 AM:

Id try to explain it but Id get banned prolly.

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Posted by Phantom on 04-14-2012 01:30 AM:

thats different its ok with them since was a worthless black that shot and killed someone.
double standards and all that stuff

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Posted by Larry Wood on 04-14-2012 01:41 AM:

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BETTER YET WHERE ARE WE ?........letting it happen..I mean, what if they had a bounty on your son's head ...what if it was your son gunned down ... Where would you want me to be standing? When good men do nothing ..I think we are gonna have to do alot of apologizing to our kids!!!!..

Posted by Bob Hennessey on 04-14-2012 02:56 PM:

why no media coverage and outrage?

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Posted by john Duemmer on 04-14-2012 03:26 PM:

Well since the klan is pretty much a thing of the past (which it should be) the white race has no counterpart to the panthers, jackson, Sharpton, Holder, Obama and all the other black racists.

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Posted by jason2579 on 04-14-2012 03:36 PM:

Pretty self explaintory why there isn't any coverage on this Bob don't you think. This kinda stuff goes on in everywhere, everyday.

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Posted by truly on 04-14-2012 03:53 PM:

Re: Explain this

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Originally posted by The Seeker
http://source1news.com/news-blog/in...n/#.T4XVc9nmcUW
Another shooting, but where is the outrage. No arrest. Shooter not charged. How many people read about this one. Where is Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder, Obama now.

Bob, I think you have taken your first step to becoming a community activist. You see something that is unjust and you try to bring attention to it. Where is the outrage? I believe you are help foment it.
IMO, In these types of shootings self defense should need to be shown as a part of a trial. Just like someone who gets off on an insanity plea has to do it as part of a trial. In some of those cases it is just as obvious that the person is nuts as it is that someone killed in self defense. But, IMO, anytime someone guns another down there should be a full investigation, and it should be up to a jury of your peers to make that decision, not a gubt bureaucrat.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 04-14-2012 04:02 PM:

Re: Re: Explain this

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Originally posted by truly
Bob, I think you have taken your first step to becoming a community activist. You see something that is unjust and you try to bring attention to it. Where is the outrage? I believe you are help foment it.
IMO, In these types of shootings self defense should need to be shown as a part of a trial. Just like someone who gets off on an insanity plea has to do it as part of a trial. In some of those cases it is just as obvious that the person is nuts as it is that someone killed in self defense. But, IMO, anytime someone guns another down there should be a full investigation, and it should be up to a jury of your peers to make that decision, not a gubt bureaucrat.

That thinking kinda sounds like GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT to me.
Dont think the system is supposed to work like that.

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Posted by Tyler Williams on 04-14-2012 04:16 PM:

There is still alot of places with the kkk not like there use to be but I no for sure there is some around here and were we moved here from

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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 04-14-2012 05:22 PM:

Ben, first I'm a long way from a community activist. I don't need a bunch of people standing behind me to stand up for what I see as wrong. I've done it all my life. To me the bunch of self serving idiots that did all the screaming about what happened in the Zimmerman, Martin case care little about right and wrong. They are using this to further their cause. All you heard was Zimmerman is a white Jew. They can't use the killing of Adkins to stir up their followers . Reported by local newspaper as Black and Hispanic that doesn't really serve their purpose. The Black Panthers, Sharpton, J. Jackson, E. Holder and the rest of them aren't any different then the KKK except their color. Holder needs cases that they can, with Media Matters help, remember his brain wash statement, to advance his radicial gun laws.

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Posted by Rip on 04-14-2012 05:56 PM:

Re: Re: Explain this

quote:
Originally posted by truly
Bob, I think you have taken your first step to becoming a community activist. You see something that is unjust and you try to bring attention to it. Where is the outrage? I believe you are help foment it.
IMO, In these types of shootings self defense should need to be shown as a part of a trial. Just like someone who gets off on an insanity plea has to do it as part of a trial. In some of those cases it is just as obvious that the person is nuts as it is that someone killed in self defense. But, IMO, anytime someone guns another down there should be a full investigation, and it should be up to a jury of your peers to make that decision, not a gubt bureaucrat.

Truly, I disagree. Couldn't disagree more. If the evidence doesn't point to a crime then you shouldn't spend one minute in jail, PERIOD, no matter the race.

I agree there should be an investigation, but without evidence that a crime has been committed then you shouldn't be in jail.

What you are asking for is no different than if there was a robbery in your neighborhood and the police arrest you, even though you were at work at the time of the robbery, and said " well prove it to a jury". Not one bit of difference in that and what you are advocating.

If the evidence is there, fine arrest them. If not then they should be free until either the evidence warrents an arrest or clears them.

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Posted by truly on 04-14-2012 07:08 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Explain this

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Originally posted by Rip
Truly, I disagree. Couldn't disagree more. If the evidence doesn't point to a crime then you shouldn't spend one minute in jail, PERIOD, no matter the race.

I agree there should be an investigation, but without evidence that a crime has been committed then you shouldn't be in jail.

What you are asking for is no different than if there was a robbery in your neighborhood and the police arrest you, even though you were at work at the time of the robbery, and said " well prove it to a jury". Not one bit of difference in that and what you are advocating.

If the evidence is there, fine arrest them. If not then they should be free until either the evidence warrents an arrest or clears them.

Did I say anything about time in jail? Reread my statement. I am advocating for a trial by a jury of your peers. The difference between these shooting cases and your robbery example is that in the case Bob brings up and in the Trayvon Martin case the shooters admitted that they did the shooting. If we have someone who has admitted to a killing then it seems like a fair thing to determine if their motive was acceptable. By citizen jurors, not by government bureaucrats who are susceptible to political pressures.

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Posted by truly on 04-14-2012 07:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by The Seeker
Ben, first I'm a long way from a community activist. I don't need a bunch of people standing behind me to stand up for what I see as wrong. I've done it all my life. To me the bunch of self serving idiots that did all the screaming about what happened in the Zimmerman, Martin case care little about right and wrong. They are using this to further their cause. All you heard was Zimmerman is a white Jew. They can't use the killing of Adkins to stir up their followers . Reported by local newspaper as Black and Hispanic that doesn't really serve their purpose. The Black Panthers, Sharpton, J. Jackson, E. Holder and the rest of them aren't any different then the KKK except their color. Holder needs cases that they can, with Media Matters help, remember his brain wash statement, to advance his radicial gun laws.

We don't need a bunch to stand behind us either, it just turns out that there are many who agree with us. There is strength in numbers. You know that. It is why you called upon the MN coonhunting community to work together in regards to trapping regulations this winter. When you did that whether you realize it or not you were trying to activate a community to advocate for it's concerns. COMMUNITY ACTIVISM. It doesn't mean that it is useless to work on something as a "lone wolf", shouting from a mountaintop, there is a time though when we have to work together. If this particular case is really meaningful to you that would be a good approach.
For anyone who hasn't read the article that Bob linked to- the victim was a man with a mental handicap of some sort. Sounds like there was a verbal altercation that led to him being shot. If you have a friend, a brother, or a son that is mentally challenged, how would you feel if they were gunned down by someone claiming self defense? Would you feel that someone with all of their mental acuity should have been able to figure out a way to diffuse the situation without pulling out a gun?

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Posted by Rip on 04-14-2012 07:21 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Explain this

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Originally posted by truly
Did I say anything about time in jail? Reread my statement. I am advocating for a trial by a jury of your peers. The difference between these shooting cases and your robbery example is that in the case Bob brings up and in the Trayvon Martin case the shooters admitted that they did the shooting. If we have someone who has admitted to a killing then it seems like a fair thing to determine if their motive was acceptable. By citizen jurors, not by government bureaucrats who are susceptible to political pressures.

Yes you absolutely are advocating everyone be arrested and then have to prove they are innocent. To have a jury trial you have to be ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH A CRIME. That would mean you advocate charging everyone with something and then making them prove they are innocent at the expense of their time, money and reputation.

It should be the other way around according to the Constitution of the United States. Matter of fact it IS the other way around according to the Constitution but you are just wanting everyone arrested with no evidence, on the spot. I bet if it were the other way around and 13 youths were arrested because of the colors they display instead of whether or not they had anything to do with a crime or before any crime was determined you would vote the other way. That's the problem with emotion, it makes you condradict yourself. I got news for you, shooting someone isn't a crime, murdering someone is. There is a big difference in the two.

It doesn't matter what the crime is, petty theft or murder the evidence needs to be there before anyone is arrested.

Arresting first is just insane and putting emotion ahead of logic.

And this is coming from someone that had a very close family murdered in cold blood in front of their family. The evidence was there and he was eventually arrested, tried and convicted but he didn't get nearly enough time in jail and is already out. I know first hand about having a family member murdered and even I don't advocate just arresting people before there is even evidence of a crime or before the evidence points to them.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-14-2012 08:22 PM:

If you murder someone. Should be hanged to death if found guilty. No matter what color your skin. I promise they do that. Some of these folks would calm down alittle.

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Posted by RHK on 04-14-2012 09:35 PM:

castrate pedaphiles and rapists too. our country is soft

Posted by Bob Hennessey on 04-15-2012 05:37 PM:

Last month when Iranian President, Ahmadinejad, was at the UN meeting in NY he had private meetings with 2 people at his hotel room, L.Farrakhan and Shabazz, the head of the new black panthers. Why isn't this reported by Media Matters, who controls most of the main stream media? Isn't Iran and Ahmadinejad enemies of the U.S.?

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Posted by Buckshot on 04-15-2012 05:52 PM:

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Originally posted by The Seeker
Last month when Iranian President, Ahmadinejad, was at the UN meeting in NY he had private meetings with 2 people at his hotel room, L.Farrakhan and Shabazz, the head of the new black panthers. Why isn't this reported by Media Matters, who controls most of the main stream media? Isn't Iran and Ahmadinejad enemies of the U.S.?

Not last month, the meeting was back in 2010 with 100 Muslim leaders from across the country.

The reason why you haven't seen anything in the news in the last month as the meeting happened in 2010 and was already covered in the news media (even main stream media).

If I remember right, it was around Sep 11 and caused a rukus with some folks because of the timing.

Posted by GA DAWG on 04-15-2012 06:05 PM:

Was obama there as 1 of the top 100 Muslims OR is he the top muslim?

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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 04-15-2012 07:06 PM:

Buckshot, I read the article wrong. I was under the impression it was the last time he was here at the UN, The article I seen said that he met privately with each of them. Sorry about my mistake on the date.

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