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Posted by Craig Edwards on 12-29-2010 09:47 PM:

Treeing Accuracy

A lot of people have the idea that slick treeing is a tree problem, when actually it is a track problem.

A dog that trees wrong either loses the track, doesn't want to track, or doesn't know how to finish the track, so they grab a tree.

An accurate tree dog is one with the ability to finish a track, good or bad, to the final destination, and that's where the track stops. That's also where you will find your quarry.

I know some think it's all about tree, but I don't care how many times a dog barks, or how loud and intense it is, it just doesn't do a thing for me if it is wrong.

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Posted by greg stull on 12-29-2010 09:59 PM:

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Posted by Lakeland Kennel on 12-29-2010 10:10 PM:

Accurate tree dogs are bred, not trained. I have had in the past and currently own now, dogs that refuse a slick tree even when the other dogs slam one.

This is a good time of the year to correct a slick tree dog. Give him the switch on a slick tree, give the meat when he has it. Cull one that can't learn the difference quickly.

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Posted by josh on 12-29-2010 10:21 PM:

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Originally posted by Lakeland Kennel
Accurate tree dogs are bred, not trained. I have had in the past and currently own now, dogs that refuse a slick tree even when the other dogs slam one.

This is a good time of the year to correct a slick tree dog. Give him the switch on a slick tree, give the meat when he has it. Cull one that can't learn the difference quickly.



Huh? Isnt this a bit of a contradiction?


Posted by Russell Boyette on 12-29-2010 10:47 PM:

I was just thinking the same thing.

1st paragraph: accuracy bred, not trained.

2nd paragraph: use this time of year to whip accuracy into them.


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Posted by B+K Kennels on 12-29-2010 11:32 PM:

He was blowing up his as usual and telling the rest of us how to do things.lol


Posted by DENNIS SHEPHERD on 12-29-2010 11:47 PM:

IT IS WHAT ITS ALWAYS BEEN----UNFINISHED TRACK


Posted by tree up on 12-30-2010 12:02 AM:

couldnt it be a backtracking problem

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Posted by JLingle_bluedog on 12-30-2010 12:43 AM:

Very true, Craig. We all know you have a problem with neither of which but the fact remains the same, lol.

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Posted by JLingle_bluedog on 12-30-2010 02:35 AM:

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couldnt it be a backtracking problem


Yes and you could add that to a whole list of why they're having problems treeing accurately. I think what he is saying is correct the track not the tree. As hounds they are hunters made to track we have made them to tree.

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Posted by Craig Edwards on 12-30-2010 07:21 AM:

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IT IS WHAT ITS ALWAYS BEEN----UNFINISHED TRACK


Exactly!!!

A dog can't tree game that it can't trail.
It doesn't matter if a dog gives 130 bpm, and is so loud you can hear it in the next county if the tree is empty. jmo

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Posted by nick@wipeoutsis on 12-30-2010 11:00 AM:

i dont know a lot but u cant train a dog to be accurate its bred in to them ..................... think god for a walker line called wipeout!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by josh on 12-30-2010 03:59 PM:

If slick treeing is the lack of tracking ability.........

How can proper training improve the accuracy of many dogs?

You can beat me as much as you want, when your done I gaurantee I wont have a better sense of smell.


Posted by Craig Edwards on 12-30-2010 04:20 PM:

I think a dog with all the right tools can be ruined by poor handling, and poor training.

I agree that nose n trailing is bred into a hound, but like any God given talent, it must be developed. You can't instill it in a dog, but you can guide them in the right direction.

To give a couple of examples: If you hunt a dog with "Idiots" it will affect them. Dogs are subject to influence just like people. You can put a flu patient in a room full of well people, and all of those well people won't make the sick person well. The sick person can pontentially make everybody sick.

Another example: Hunting a dog on feeder buckets can affect a dog's tracking ability. If a hound is constantly put on hot tracks, or pop ups ( I know it doesn't always work out that way, but alot of times it does) the dog doesn't get the chance to develope it's natural abilities. As a matter of fact, they learn to expect a quickie, and if it's not, they are totally59 out of their comfort zone.

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Posted by BlueTickNC on 01-01-2011 02:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Craig Edwards
I think a dog with all the right tools can be ruined by poor handling, and poor training.

I agree that nose n trailing is bred into a hound, but like any God given talent, it must be developed. You can't instill it in a dog, but you can guide them in the right direction.

To give a couple of examples: If you hunt a dog with "Idiots" it will affect them. Dogs are subject to influence just like people. You can put a flu patient in a room full of well people, and all of those well people won't make the sick person well. The sick person can pontentially make everybody sick.

Another example: Hunting a dog on feeder buckets can affect a dog's tracking ability. If a hound is constantly put on hot tracks, or pop ups ( I know it doesn't always work out that way, but alot of times it does) the dog doesn't get the chance to develope it's natural abilities. As a matter of fact, they learn to expect a quickie, and if it's not, they are totally59 out of their comfort zone.



i dont know about all that ive seen dogs go threw times where they would tree slick but get over it and they were great track dogs i dont mind a dog missing every once in awhile i like them to be quick tree dogs ive seen some blue dogs that couldnt track that wouldnt slick tree i would rather have them pull slick than to haft to listen to some try to run a coon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by cctreeingwalker on 01-01-2011 04:00 AM:

My 13 month female runs the track great but she doesn't stay on the tree. She will tree until I get close then she comes to me and when I tell her to get back on the tree she will carry the track back or she will go strike another track and do the same thing all over again. I saw her treed last night across the field, went to her, she came off and went and back tracked it. I saw the coon that was treed by the field. Why isn't she staying?

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Posted by Craig Edwards on 01-01-2011 07:38 AM:

quote:
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i dont know about all that ive seen dogs go threw times where they would tree slick but get over it and they were great track dogs i dont mind a dog missing every once in awhile i like them to be quick tree dogs ive seen some blue dogs that couldnt track that wouldnt slick tree i would rather have them pull slick than to haft to listen to some try to run a coon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



To each his own, but not me. I don't care what a dog does, if the tree is empty all is in vain. Finishing the track at the correct destination is the fruition of every effort put forth. Any dog that trees game can track. It may be a hot track, or it may be silent on the track, but whether it's a fiest or hound it must track to tree game by scent. jmo

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Posted by Craig Edwards on 01-01-2011 07:41 AM:

I don't claim to have all of the answers. I'm not sure about the questions.

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Posted by rghnd123 on 01-01-2011 02:55 PM:

accuracy

I don't want a dog that will just run in and slam a tree. I like a dog to be fast and not to slow to grab a tree but if he ain't got a coon he ain't accomplised anything. I believe 90% of circle trees are slick. JMO.

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Posted by Todd M. on 01-01-2011 03:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lakeland Kennel
Accurate tree dogs are bred, not trained. I have had in the past and currently own now, dogs that refuse a slick tree even when the other dogs slam one.

This is a good time of the year to correct a slick tree dog. Give him the switch on a slick tree, give the meat when he has it. Cull one that can't learn the difference quickly.





I have a full brother and sister, one is very accurate and the other well is getting scolded at the tree and sent on to finish. I think its a tracking ability. But she can be accurate when she wants to so maybe just lazy too....Definetly not breed into them.....

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Posted by Mike Van Dusen on 01-02-2011 03:51 AM:

Littermates can be exact opposites, just depends what ancester the puppy takes after.One pup can be silent, and another can be too open, same with slick treeing!

Accuracy is a bred in trait, a lot of times the trainer can hurt a pup that starts out to be accurate,then the stud dog gets the blame for poor training.Not always but it can happen.You have to hunt the puppy rite,and not always with a dog you don`t like.If you don`t have a dog you like, you are better off hunting the pup by their self.JMO!

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