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Posted by Hoosier on 07-23-2010 12:41 PM:

Locating Trees

I have been thinking lately about this aspect of hunting dogs.

I love a dog with an awesome locate, one that once you hear IT, you can tree them on it and know they are staying.

I had a dog YEARS ago that had a great LOCATE and on the 3rd bark of that locate bawl, you could hook her as she was there till you got her.

Another thing that she did that I haven't seen done in a long time is locate well BEFORE she got to the tree. I've not seen any other dog do this. Most dogs locate standing at the tree or looking up it. This female would locate on MANY TREES 20-40 yards from that tree and simply fly right to it and begin treeing. I never figured out how she could do that...but watched it many times.

Does any line of dogs do that now?

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Posted by CWS on 07-23-2010 12:49 PM:

Sounds like to me she was locating the tree the coon went up then would leave it, check herself and come back to it. Yes, I have seen many dogs do that.

A locate is sure a good thing to hear on a dog!

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Posted by Hoosier on 07-23-2010 01:58 PM:

CWS,

At first I thought you were right. But i got to watching her and listening real closely and she wasn't. She was doing this BEFORE she checked the tree as she did check. She would do this without ever being close to the exact tree before.

She was dead accurate too. Unfortunately she had to be hunted by herself as she didn't play well with others. Those that have said a rough female is worse than a male....is DEAD ON CORRECT!

Her & I treed a pile of coons and she taught me alot about what a coon dog should and shouldn't be.

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Posted by Bluedogman on 07-23-2010 02:04 PM:

That's called a NOSE!

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-23-2010 02:14 PM:

I have one that is Exactly what you discribed .. If he gives you 3 in a row he has it nailed, then he'l drop out check himself and sometimes may tree another coon and give you 3 .. After he trees the second or he's check himself he will settle in to the First coon he treed or the Single coon with a steady chop.

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Posted by l.lyle on 07-24-2010 07:19 AM:

I had a couple of Coma pups that caused me to curl my toes and snap the soles off my loafers. They had a 30 to 45 second locate that would send chills up my spine. I had a Sackett Jr pup that was 1/2 as good sounding but you had to pay close attention. You could tree him 2 seconds into his amazing locate especially if he had been on a hot track. But if he was working an old feeding track, he'd throw a KMA and GTH bark that sounded like a locate but it was his sign off bark. LOL. You should have known that dog.

Posted by Fireman Sam on 07-24-2010 07:41 AM:

KMA and GTH bark?

Lyle how the he11 are ya?

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Posted by l.lyle on 07-24-2010 08:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fireman Sam
KMA and GTH bark?

Lyle how the he11 are ya?

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 07-24-2010 08:24 AM:

Re: Locating Trees

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier
I have been thinking lately about this aspect of hunting dogs.

I love a dog with an awesome locate, one that once you hear IT, you can tree them on it and know they are staying.

I had a dog YEARS ago that had a great LOCATE and on the 3rd bark of that locate bawl, you could hook her as she was there till you got her.

Another thing that she did that I haven't seen done in a long time is locate well BEFORE she got to the tree. I've not seen any other dog do this. Most dogs locate standing at the tree or looking up it. This female would locate on MANY TREES 20-40 yards from that tree and simply fly right to it and begin treeing. I never figured out how she could do that...but watched it many times.

Does any line of dogs do that now?

I have not seen dogs do that but I can tell you how they do it. If you take a man trailing dog and teach it to show you evidense on the trail. It will trail down wind of the track like all trail dogs but when it comes down wind of an an article droped on the trail it will wind straight to it. The trunk of the tree would be just like an article. Like said in another post it took a good nose. It allso took the perfect set of cercumstances for the dog to learn it on it's own.

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Posted by l.lyle on 07-24-2010 10:30 AM:

Re: Re: Locating Trees

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It allso took the perfect set of cercumstances for the dog to learn it on it's own.

Once again I have taken the liberty to delete alot of your thread. Don't it get your goat when you're walking a pair of littermates through the woods and say a squirel jumps across the busshhog path and one sees it and the other happens to be looking somewhere else? Then a hundred yards later the same daggum thing happens? And for good meassssure lets say it happens again and by the time you get back home in one hand you got a daggum near made sssquirel dog and on the other you got a ......I dn't know what to call it, neglectected? unfortunate? unlucky? duffus?

BEats me too. I think it is just a set of circumstances.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 07-24-2010 01:25 PM:

hmm sounds like not a lot of heart if you watch her do many
of times.40yrd might draw a few ---

Posted by pigsit on 07-24-2010 01:32 PM:

Re: Re: Locating Trees

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Originally posted by Okie Dawg
I have not seen dogs do that but I can tell you how they do it. If you take a man trailing dog and teach it to show you evidense on the trail. It will trail down wind of the track like all trail dogs but when it comes down wind of an an article droped on the trail it will wind straight to it. The trunk of the tree would be just like an article. Like said in another post it took a good nose. It allso took the perfect set of cercumstances for the dog to learn it on it's own.

Grady, in my life time I have owned four dogs that were capable of doing this. They all had great track speed, could locate in a heart beat and were all deadly accurate. The first was a son of Lipper and the others were his sons and daughters. It is not a "taught" or "learned" trait; it is inbred natural ability, and few have it. You really can't appreciate it, until you see happen. How did your hunt go? I treed one deep, almost a mile to them, two mile section, treed three singles off a corn field and came home. The little fat female, looked good on the deep coon. Treed a single by herself off the corn. Tom

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Posted by scott shaw on 07-24-2010 04:37 PM:

I had a dog several years ago that would locate before the tree.
He also was deadly accurate. When he did this, if I remember
right, it was always a screaming hot track.

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Posted by on 07-24-2010 04:53 PM:

HARDWOOD PHINE

I HAD A DOG LAST YEAR, OUT OF PHINE THAT WOULD LOCATE 20 YARDS FROM THE TREE, WHEN HE DID THIS U COULD TREE HIM, HE WOULD BE THERE AT DAY LIGHT. NOT MANY LIKE THAT. WHEN HE TREED, U WOULD SEE EYES. THANKS, MARTY........

Posted by Rocketman55 on 07-24-2010 08:50 PM:

I too, like some other on here have owned and hunted a dog with the ability to locate the tree 30 yards or so before it got to it. Mine was an English Dog off Bates Screaming Deamon and Mayles Beech River Dolly. It took me a while to figure out how this dog was always getting first tree, then one night we had a barn bunner track that circled a small cornfield. When that hound got about 20 to 30 yards from the edge of the cornfield and about 50 yards out in fron of me, I heard him throw his locate coming on a dead run. By the time he finished his second locate he was at the timber line on the edge of the cornfield and exploded treed, every breath.

I have line bred for that trait since 1979. Today I'm hunting a great grand son of that dog. He does this same thing on occassion, but not near as frequent as his great grandpa. His name is Gr. Nt. Ch. Hooper Ridge Rockets Top Gun.

Its a special trait to have, and so very hard to maintain, but I'm still breeding to keep it.

Posted by Dwils on 07-24-2010 10:14 PM:

i like the kind that are one bark locate and never come off and do any checking.

when a dog looks up all checking should be done. none of this locating and coming off the tree and checking business. if mine locates. the deal should be sealed and checking should be done.

i have an old female that will locate and come off and check alone. but in competition that will screw you.

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Posted by Mike Van Dusen on 07-24-2010 11:15 PM:

I had a Black and Tan female that used to locate on the way to the tree the coon was in, I have seen her walk on her hind legs and fall on the tree and have the coon!
When I read this post I thought about her,I raised her from a puppy, she got hit by a car 2 weeks before christmas in 1991...
She was 3 when she got killed,I almost quit coon hunting,that really took it out of me for a while!
Hoosier I know exactly what you are talking about,she had a tremendous nose, and I didn`t know what I had in her!

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Posted by jculler8 on 07-24-2010 11:47 PM:

How many people have seen a dog do this on the Garmin?

You can also look at it from the perspective that the track got REALLY hot 20-30 yards from the tree and the dog located out of excitement.

This is one of the types of things I like about coonhunting. You can always look at why a dog may be doing something from a couple of different perspectives...

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 07-26-2010 03:09 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Locating Trees

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Grady, in my life time I have owned four dogs that were capable of doing this. They all had great track speed, could locate in a heart beat and were all deadly accurate. The first was a son of Lipper and the others were his sons and daughters. It is not a "taught" or "learned" trait; it is inbred natural ability, and few have it. You really can't appreciate it, until you see happen. How did your hunt go? I treed one deep, almost a mile to them, two mile section, treed three singles off a corn field and came home. The little fat female, looked good on the deep coon. Treed a single by herself off the corn. Tom

John and Tink coulght one on the ground about 300 yds. in on the first dump. Then on the second Tink and waylon treed one a little over 400 yds. in behind a corn field. I squaled to find it and by the time I saw it. It was walking out. They both saw it and it went the same way I had to go back to the truck. Leading them threw the corn with them smelling that coon sucked. I was heated up by then and went home. Got in at 11 p.m. This was Sat. night.
I forgot I saw you Thursday and I didn't get in till 5 a.m. that night. I treed 3 that night but took a long time to do it. That is why I was out so late. I don't like to go in till things are on a good note and with pups that can take a while some times. LOL

Posted by Okie Dawg on 07-26-2010 03:43 PM:

Oh the circumstances thing is a matter of opinion. Dogs learn from the circumstances they run into in the woods and how there handled in my opinion. Hunt them into the wind every time and they will get use to airing more. Hunt them with the wind and they will be more apt to trail more. If it was all in the breeding we would just wait till they were 2 years old and put them in the comp. hunts and the one with the best bred dog would win.

Posted by pigsit on 07-26-2010 11:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Oh the circumstances thing is a matter of opinion. Dogs learn from the circumstances they run into in the woods and how there handled in my opinion. Hunt them into the wind every time and they will get use to airing more. Hunt them with the wind and they will be more apt to trail more. If it was all in the breeding we would just wait till they were 2 years old and put them in the comp. hunts and the one with the best bred dog would win.

Now Grady, think about what you just said. Hounds are products of their breeding and EXPOSURE. You cannot make a dog be a 100 bark a minute tree dog or be extremely fast on track if the genetics aren' t there; I don't care how much you hunt them. Neither can you take a dog loaded with natural ability and make him a winner without EXPOSURE. However, I would bet more on the dog with natural ability making it without EXPOSURE,than the converse being true. Good Hunting. Tom

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