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Posted by wade lucking on 11-06-2009 09:52 PM:

pup prices (why)

why back in the 80's im most cases when you seen pups for sale the males were priced higher than the females and now adays when they are not priced the same the females are always priced higher.

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Posted by Richard Nethery on 11-06-2009 10:04 PM:

Because breeders usually like to keep thier Femalse to sell pups out of.
Thats what its all about these days, pedigrees and profits.

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Posted by josh on 11-06-2009 10:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Nethery
Because breeders usually like to keep thier Femalse to sell pups out of.
Thats what its all about these days, pedigrees and profits.

There was way more $$ to be made selling pups then...it isnt even close.

Its a fad, people want what everyone else wants.

Posted by Virgil on 11-06-2009 10:43 PM:

I think another part of it is people are finally starting to come around and realize the females are as big a part of the game as the males. Twenty years ago many people disregarded the importance of the female in raising pups and would breed any female to the studs.

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Posted by wildbill on 11-06-2009 11:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Virgil
I think another part of it is people are finally starting to come around and realize the females are as big a part of the game as the males. Twenty years ago many people disregarded the importance of the female in raising pups and would breed any female to the studs.

thats it,,lol,

nowdays stud dogs are everywhere,,but good top females still aren't as were then...
if you have a top good female ,you control the next supercross,,lol

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Posted by wade lucking on 11-06-2009 11:24 PM:

i personall thought it was because male pups turned out better and faster and hide prices were good. just wanted to know what other thought.

Posted by Autumn Clements on 11-06-2009 11:34 PM:

I've never been able to understand why theres a difference between male/female prices in some litters.

Wade your explantion to why a male would be worth more then makes sense to me, we've always found more males make a dog than females.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 11-07-2009 12:12 AM:

1 males got to big,the females are the size of the of the old
day males and can get threw the woods better.
2.puppy factors the avg std breeds 500 pups, sires 50 litters
15,000 the avg bitch 20pups a yr all grand 20,000 no advertising
dont have to put up with the public.lol

Posted by Virgil on 11-07-2009 12:13 AM:

The male female thing is something that varies from trainer to trainer. I have had better luck myself with females making coondogs quicker than males. Seems like most of the males I have had take longer to get out of the puppy stage where they want to play around rather than hunt.

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Posted by hillbilly56 on 11-07-2009 03:46 AM:

pups

i myself like females better than males they seem to be a little smater than males and usally start quicker not always just what i like

Posted by roughcreek on 11-07-2009 05:04 PM:

you guys have missed this one. a good female you can breed to what ever you want for years & only have to keep one dog. a male dog you got to compete with the whole country to breed dogs or own your own females. whats hot to breed to this year will always be over takin by another dog. a good female has always got a good market for saling pups.

Posted by josh on 11-07-2009 06:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by roughcreek
you guys have missed this one. a good female you can breed to what ever you want for years & only have to keep one dog. a male dog you got to compete with the whole country to breed dogs or own your own females. whats hot to breed to this year will always be over takin by another dog. a good female has always got a good market for saling pups.

I agree, this is the way most people look at it today.

IMO there used to be far more guys that just wanted a dog to hunt, they werent concerned with becoming a breeder, just hunting.

As far as males being better and faster....please...

Posted by wade lucking on 11-07-2009 08:29 PM:

faster not in speed but faster starters is what i meant, and and more males turning out in the letter. cut me a little slack... please

Posted by wildbill on 11-10-2009 03:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by roughcreek
you guys have missed this one. a good female you can breed to what ever you want for years & only have to keep one dog. a male dog you got to compete with the whole country to breed dogs or own your own females. whats hot to breed to this year will always be over takin by another dog. a good female has always got a good market for saling pups.

this is whats going on in the puppy market,today ,,but,,,

the reason of the male over the female

for hunting is the Males dont start bleeding when hunting season comes in or you want to go to that certain hunt you been waiting on all year.....

i think the females start hunting sooner but with the right bloodlines ,it dont seem to make a difference anymore...

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Posted by Richard Nethery on 11-13-2009 01:13 PM:

I prefer a Female Hound myself, they seem to be smarter, and usualy a Female is not as apt to be Ill as a Male.
I would pay extra for a Female.

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Posted by BAWL_TRACK on 11-13-2009 04:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wildbill
this is whats going on in the puppy market,today ,,but,,,

the reason of the male over the female

for hunting is the Males dont start bleeding when hunting season comes in or you want to go to that certain hunt you been waiting on all year.....

i think the females start hunting sooner but with the right bloodlines ,it dont seem to make a difference anymore...

yea but males are always in heat ... but i still choose ales oover females to hunt

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Posted by John D on 11-13-2009 05:17 PM:

Back years ago a big purpose for a coonhound was gathering hides. The last thing you wanted was for a female to come in heat or be raising pups when hides were prime.

Nowadays, it seems like most want to start raising pups about as soon as they get into coonhunting.

YOu can hunt in nite hunts pretty much year around so coming in heat and raising pups doesn't knock a female out of so much.

Also, males, depending on their breeding and how much they get bred, are alot more likely to get grumpy as they get older. Unless your hide hunting there's just not much use for an old, rough dog...

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Posted by HOBO on 11-13-2009 05:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Nethery
I prefer a Female Hound myself, they seem to be smarter, and usualy a Female is not as apt to be Ill as a Male.
I would pay extra for a Female.

I'd disagree with this statement on females not being as mean. I've seen more mean females than males. A mean female in my opinion is alot worse than a mean male. A mean male will usually just fight other males but when you have a mean female they tend to eat up everything.

That being said I usually prefer to hunt a female. Usually a female tends to start a lil earlier than a male and they seem to try harder to please their owner.

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Posted by jdgher on 11-23-2009 09:16 PM:

Female

I think it was the heat cycle that turned off alot of hide hunters to females.
On a positive about Females. You take your pic as to which stud you breed to. It don't work the other way around.

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Posted by capt_agricultur on 11-23-2009 10:02 PM:

JMO

I rather hunt a female any day over a male......The last gyp I bought was a started gyp in 1992...

Posted by wvhoundsman on 11-23-2009 10:13 PM:

i like bitches!

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