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Posted by debbijohndebbi on 07-27-2007 02:42 AM:

Allen/ukc Hunt Test

IS THEIR A PREVEIW OF WHAT THE TEST IS GOING TO BE.AND WHAT IS THE TITAL EARNED GOING TO BE CALLED (HUNT TEST APROVED LOGAL GOING TO BE STAMPTED ON DOGS PAPPERS)AND IS IT GOING TO BE TOUGH ENOUGH THAT 90% OF THE DOGS OUT THEIR WILL NOT ACHEAVE IT.AND WILL IT NOTE/DOGS VOICE/TRACKING ABILITY/ TEMPERMENT/AND SO ON
THANKS JOHN WILLIAMS

Posted by Ron Brickles on 07-27-2007 05:39 AM:

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Posted by Todd K / UKC on 07-27-2007 12:43 PM:

I'm working right now on a feature article that will appear in the September issue of CB that will answer these questions and more. I believe Cooner will also feature the program that same month. Stay tuned......

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Posted by Timber Ridge on 07-27-2007 12:52 PM:

Hunt Test

Todd,
I really would have liked to have joined you at Belleview. I have some suggestions for this program, if you have not locked things in yet. PM me if your interested.

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Posted by RedBones4me on 07-27-2007 11:21 PM:

THE ONLY REQUEST I HAVE FOR THE TEST IS TO MAKE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE APPROVED THROUGH UKC IN ORDER TO BE THE JUDGE. WE ALL KNOW THAT PEOPLE WILL ABUSE THE PRIVILAGE TO JUDGE A DOG AND EVERY DOG OUT THERE WILL END UP WITH A HTX TITLE ON THE END OF ITS NAME.

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Posted by Joe S. on 07-28-2007 10:26 PM:

what test?>..

what exactly is this test havent seen or heard nothing about can someone give brief explanation what yal are talking about??

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Posted by RedBones4me on 07-29-2007 12:17 AM:

Basically the test is conducted like the single registration test.
The dog has to prove it can track and tree a wild coon without having more than 2 faults (I think it is 2) during the 1 hour of required hunt time. I believe that is how Allen explained it during National Redbone Days.
If the dog passes the test then it will get a title tacked on to its name. I think it is HTX for hunting test excellence.

Posted by GA DAWG on 07-29-2007 01:22 AM:

They should have to get this title before entering any other night hunts!!!!!!!!

Posted by GA DAWG on 07-29-2007 06:59 AM:

No I didnt see that but they will have to run and tree a coon alone!!! Thats all I'm going on.... Should have to do that before they are entered in a night hunt... I dont imagine the faults will be very much...

Posted by mleck on 07-29-2007 03:14 PM:

who is going to judge the test? local clubs, UKC reps, MOH, breed acssocistions, ect? just wondering who. i think this is a great idea and i thinnk a dog ought to prove it can tree a coon on its own before being able to be entered into a night champion cast or even have that title.

Posted by on 07-29-2007 03:27 PM:

Our club President got a call from Allen last week explaining the new Hunt Test deal and wanting our club to discuss it and get back. Many of the members discussed it last night at our Walker Sectional hunt. The main thing I heard said was that it was an insult to every hunter that put in the work, time, travel and money to earn a REAL hunt title. The general consenses I got was that the hunt test is just a way to get a title for an owner that is too sorry to go out an earn one by putting his dog out where others can see it perform or not perform. These hunt test fans will always come back that they won't enter a hunt because of all the cheating, mean dogs, blah blah blah....but excuse are like you know what. I'm sure our club will vote to boycot the whole hunt test thing and I'm just as sure UKC will go right ahead with it. There is definately a pile of money to be made off of it. I just hope that after they get it going, they will not only publish the names of the dogs that pass and get the title, but also the names of the dogs that failed.

Posted by John D on 07-29-2007 04:38 PM:

I don't know that much about it, but I think its an interesting idea.

Face, it comp. hunts are becoming more and more a game all the time. The way some kennel clubs are copying others programs and going, it won't be long before their events have as much to do with a coonhound treeing a coon as greyhound racing has to catching rabbits.

I believe there is definitely a void right now for something of this nature. Maybe the first try won't be too smooth, but its a concept worth pursuing, imo.

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Posted by Russell Boyette on 07-29-2007 10:17 PM:

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Originally posted by debbijohndebbi
DOS ANY BODY OUT THEIR HAVE JIMS APENION ON THE HUNT TEST OR DO YOU BELEAVE IT WILL NOT AFECT THE GRAND
NIGHT TITAL
THANKS JOHN WILLIAMS

While i think there is room for a program of this nature, the majority of people i have spoken with seem to think it would be a waste of their time. Their main reason being that a 6 month old pup can be taken to a feeder bucket and tree a coon by itself. What would stop someone from just caring an old plug that cant compete(ears to big, cant hold pressure, too slow, etc) against other dogs to that feeder and claiming his hunt title? Then turn around and use that title to breed some females when in reality the hound has done very little to deserve to be bred to.

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Posted by on 07-29-2007 11:23 PM:

They have already stated that the test will involve treeing one coon in a set amount of time. Big Deal!!! There are thousands of dogs out there that can do that. And many of them aren't worth the price of one bag of Ole Roy.

How many will go out and slap down cash for a new dog without hunting it because it has a hunt test degree and quickly come to realize they would have been just as well off to have called Cecil Bowen?

Come to think of it, I might just have something there. Buy them buy the gross dirt cheap from Cecil, run'em thru a hunt test, triple your money fast as you can shove'em out the barn door.

Posted by RedBones4me on 07-29-2007 11:24 PM:

I have a copy of the test at home and I think it is a good idea. Entering a dog in a nite hunt does not really mean they can tree a coon. It may just mean that they are good me-to dogs.
With this test it shows people that the dog can track and tree a coon by itself.

As far as feeders go I believe it says no feeders. If you are caught dropping a dog on a feeder during this test then the test is over and you fail.

Faults include: treeing off game, slick treeing, quiting the track, leaving the tree, ect....

The faults are basically the same as what you would be minused for in a night hunt, except if you commit them in the hunt test you are failed, not minused.

Some people do not like going to the hunts because there are alot of sore losers, unsportsman like people and cheaters. So this test is a good way to show people that the dog can tree a coon.

Posted by on 07-29-2007 11:32 PM:

Well Red, talk is ever so CHEAP! I hunt in enough hunts to know how tough it is to win with a real coondog cause I drew out with three of them last might. I have been beat by a me-too scorecard dog. I have been beat 10 times as often by a dog that was flatout better than mine. If you think you can raise the stature of the hunt test by downing the nite hunt dogs, you are just showing how much you DON'T know about nite hunts..
That's all I'm gonna say on this one.
Over and out.

Posted by J.Grubbs on 07-30-2007 02:14 AM:

Good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by george florence on 07-30-2007 02:55 AM:

really, where did you find them?

QUOTE"""Well Red, talk is ever so CHEAP! I hunt in enough hunts to know how tough it is to win with a real coondog cause I drew out with three of them last might. I have been beat by a me-too scorecard dog. I have been beat 10 times as often by a dog that was flatout better than mine. If you think you can raise the stature of the hunt test by downing the nite hunt dogs, you are just showing how much you DON'T know about nite hunts..
That's all I'm gonna say on this one."""

3 REAL LIVE "COONDOGS" in a cast? Hell, I haven't even seen 3 in years, much less all in one place. Your definition of "COONDOG" must be a lot different than mine and most of the people that i know.

No, I don't think this will cheapen the Night Hunt Titles any at all, it will simply add something more to the list of overall titles that mean less and less every time they add one more.

Posted by Tim MACHA on 07-30-2007 03:09 AM:

People, People, People, Please

Why is this getting such a debate? If you don't like the program, then don't enter them. Let someone else try it, that is interested in the program. Cream rises to the top. Let's see if this program has merit a year or two down the road. By that time, we should be able to tell if the program is going to work or not. The one's that don't think it will make a dog better, then don't pay attention to the HTX on the paper. Just food for thought, how many of you were throwing rotten tomatos at the Performance Program when it started? See what that has grown into.

Posted by Russell Boyette on 07-30-2007 04:21 AM:

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Originally posted by RedBones4me
As far as feeders go I believe it says no feeders. If you are caught dropping a dog on a feeder during this test then the test is over and you fail.

Let me say this 1st, so know one will think i am running down this program. I like it, and would most likely put my dogs in it and the Nite hunts too. Now that that is out of the way...

It may say no feeders, but you wouldnt have to be too smart to figure a way around it. With the new Fusion block it could simply be screwed in a whole at the base of a tree. Or like a buddy of mine does. Sour a little corn in a 20oz Pepsi bottle, poke a whole in it and throw it out the window. Or go pick the feeder up before going to the hunt. Or maybe have someone go ahead of you and turn a coon loose from a cage at a predetermined spot. Evryone thinks these handlers are slick, but you give some of these dog traders away to put a title on a trade dog and sell him for more money, you just sit back, because you havent seen slick yet.

Also, what will be the rule for hunting corn, or soybean fields? How about turning loose around a deer farms corn stash?

I would say it could be eliminated by not allowing the handler to guide, but if the hunts are bought and paid for like some think, then it would be too hard to slip the judge a C-note.

Posted by TJ RAYFIELD on 07-30-2007 04:52 AM:

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Originally posted by RedBones4me

Faults include: treeing off game, slick treeing, quiting the track, leaving the tree, ect....

The faults are basically the same as what you would be minused for in a night hunt, except if you commit them in the hunt test you are failed, not minused.

Well that leaves me out of the hunt test program...lol.

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