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Posted by t_pettit on 04-01-2013 01:58 AM:

Score this!!!

dogs a,b,c,and d get struck and treed in that order. walking into the tree and were about fifteen feet out and the judge says handle all dogs. dog a takes off and starts tracking, the judge minuses dog a. Should dog a be minused or should they score the tree and call time out and give the handler one hour to catch his dog? Lets here what you think.

Posted by Donnie Stevens on 04-01-2013 02:12 AM:

score tree call time

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Posted by jdc on 04-01-2013 02:24 AM:

Dog A is minused, then score tree and when through scoring tree walk away and put 8 on dog A. If he opens cut to him if he does not open in 8 minutes then you can talk about calling time out if it is needed.

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Posted by Richards123 on 04-01-2013 02:27 AM:

agree

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Posted by JSTARR on 04-01-2013 02:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jdc
Dog A is minused, then score tree and when through scoring tree walk away and put 8 on dog A. If he opens cut to him if he does not open in 8 minutes then you can talk about calling time out if it is needed.

sounds right to me ,,with out being there

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Posted by Donnie Stevens on 04-01-2013 02:37 AM:

Re: Score this!!!

quote:
Originally posted by t_pettit
judge says handle all dogs.

at that point i think tree gets scored just as if they stayed

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Posted by JiM on 04-01-2013 03:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jdc
Dog A is minused, then score tree and when through scoring tree walk away and put 8 on dog A. If he opens cut to him if he does not open in 8 minutes then you can talk about calling time out if it is needed.

That's the one I'm going with.

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Posted by JiM on 04-01-2013 03:09 AM:

Re: Re: Score this!!!

quote:
Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
at that point i think tree gets scored just as if they stayed

Donnie, they never get scored as if they stayed unless they stayed.

Posted by howie on 04-01-2013 03:33 AM:

Dogs have to be handled.

Posted by Tim Toler on 04-01-2013 05:00 AM:

Dog that left tree is minused his tree points only and still holds his strike points.. correct?

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Posted by Paul Frederick on 04-01-2013 01:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jdc
Dog A is minused, then score tree and when through scoring tree walk away and put 8 on dog A. If he opens cut to him if he does not open in 8 minutes then you can talk about calling time out if it is needed.

Bingo.

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Posted by Donnie Stevens on 04-01-2013 02:10 PM:

Did something change i remember this discussion from few years back and chucklin about elvis description about bein on back side of an obvious slick tellin judge how he couldnt catch his dog while he was tryin to get his boot on his ass and get him out there.I thought back then it was decided when judge says handle em there ya score em there.

But im easy.......lol

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Posted by Paul Frederick on 04-01-2013 02:22 PM:

There was another thread about this very subject a few weeks ago. In this situation where the dog takes off and you can't get a hold of him then his tree is minused and you would start the 8 after the tree is scored.

Of course there is a difference between "can't" catch a dog when the judge says handle and "won't" catch the dog. In this situation the dog took off before the handler had the chance to handle him.

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Posted by joe hermsmeier on 04-01-2013 11:27 PM:

minus or scratch

Allen wrote an article I believe in Jan., explaining the implied scratch. In short, he says you use this rule when the rules says you cannot do something, but doesnt give the penalty. He goes on and list some of the things, and one of the things on the list was failure to leash dogs at tree.l

Posted by john Duemmer on 04-01-2013 11:45 PM:

Re: minus or scratch

quote:
Originally posted by joe hermsmeier
Allen wrote an article I believe in Jan., explaining the implied scratch. In short, he says you use this rule when the rules says you cannot do something, but doesnt give the penalty. He goes on and list some of the things, and one of the things on the list was failure to leash dogs at tree.l

This would be an example of the difference between intentionally not handling the dog (implied scratch)and a case where the handler made an attempt but was unable to handle his dog(minus).

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-01-2013 11:52 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Score this!!!

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Donnie, they never get scored as if they stayed unless they stayed.

What if its handled and chews leash and is running around close to tree when we get back to score it? In pkc?

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Posted by john Duemmer on 04-01-2013 11:55 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Score this!!!

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
What if its handled and chews leash and is running around close to tree when we get back to score it? In pkc?

If you find the tree with the rest of the leash SCORE IT.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-02-2013 12:40 AM:

That's odd seems like. I mean if the dog chewed its leash and left. Yet had a Coon its plussed. Hope I never run into that one lol.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-02-2013 12:41 AM:

Oh yeah. Is it the same in Ukc you think?

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Posted by john Duemmer on 04-02-2013 12:48 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Oh yeah. Is it the same in Ukc you think?

I wouldnt even guess about UKC, I just read what Moll Said.

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