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i wonder why

i just cant figure out why the ukc wont film any of the mojer events? if they would just film the highlights they could sell a ton of copy's i'd think.

I agree,it could be a good thing, or do a special on the outdoor channel. It would be a good way to see some nice hound. Not just a pic, of them in a book. You can see and get the reaction of the winners and the spectators.

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or film the big hunts, every cast, and see some real scores

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Sure sounds GREAT!

I would love to watch as well!

But, there is always BUT huh....

HOW?

What y'all see on TV is not what y'all are wanting.
This is not Deer, Turkey, Ducks, or Fishing....
All of them are filmed during the daytime to start with, so lighting is not really needed.

I will guess that if not all, that 99% of the hunting is done on FEEDER plots? Set up in advance for the filming? AKA they know where the game will be, the time of day it will be there. So they know where to place said cameras. Either remote, or manned cameras.

No way could you do that on a cast of dogs in a hunt!! If you did it would not be a HUNT! I guess pretty much like it really isn't on the ones you see of Deer on TV! LOL!

They just sit and wait for them to show up. Then get the KILL shot!

Guess y'all could buy some REAL HIGH $ equipment. Like mini cams (with night vision, sound) ect. Mount them on each in the cast? Hope to get some good footage? Then edit it?

Or, y'all could tell me, just how this could be done? I am all ears!

As I said I would love to see, hear, walk along on them hunts as well!

with todays technology it can be done. if we can go 600 feetunder water to explore a ship that has been sunk for 100 years than surely to god we can film a coon hunt. tailgate adventures does it the edit it to make the show in a time to put on tv but why couldn't some one do it for a nite hunt.i feel it canbe done just going to take someone with the money to invest in doing it.jmo

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treedallnite, I am in not saying that it can not be done.

More so at what cost?

I understand that tailgate adventures do it. I have not got to see them, sorry to say. But, there comes the BUT again.. LOL!

They are doing it in a controlled setting. AKA they are not doing it during a NITE HUNT, where there is something at stake for the ones hunting. They are filming a pleasure hunt, more or less. Not to say that it might not lead to ones that watch it, want to breed to the dogs shown. As they may?

If you was in a MAJOR HUNT, with allot on the line... AKA You could make your dog a BIG WINNER.... In any of the KC divisions, would you want a full camera crew there? Would you want all the added folks it would take to film what was happening? I for one would LOVE to watch it all play out, as I am sure most all would!!!

Would you want the added distraction to yourself, or your dog at that time?

Tell you what.....

If you can put enough sponsorship together...sell sponsorship for commercials, airtime, and expenses to produce the show...I'll do it for you.

Here is all you need.

Lets see....

Start with air time on the Sportsman's Channel

26 weeks worth of Air Time = $98,000

You would have to have a film crew for each cast that you want to cover, with travel expenses paid your talking about $1000 per crew per event. You need to film at least 13 different events. That's $13,000 per, now all you have to do is multiply that times the number of casts you want to cover. If its 5 casts, that's another $75,000.

We are not filming the show with $250.00 handy cams. Sportsman's Channel has a High Def requirement, so that means that you need to figure $5,500.00 per camera up front, + another $600 for lighting for that camera. Again, use the 5 casts of coverage, another $30,500.

So far you've spent $203,500.00 and you don't have a show produced yet.

As a producer/editor of a show, I will be happy to produce the shows for you...but it comes at a price. Seeing as how I will have to view and edit at the very least 10 to 12 hours of video for each show, that equates to about 300 hours of editing time per show...multiply that times 13 and I now have a full time job. Lets for giggles say that you can get the show produces for $5,000 per episode.. another $32,000.00.

Without "incidental" expenses you would need to invest $235,500.00 of your hard earned money.

Nobody is going to want to do this for "free", especially you. So you are going to have to make a profit. If you have a quarter million dollars to invest, you are going to want some return on your investment. If you figure you want 12% back on your money, you are going to have to "clear" $28,260.00

You have six commercial spots to pay for all of this expense, which means that you have to divide that the total amount of $263,760.00 by those six commercial spots. You need at least $43,960.00 for each of those sponsorships.

I'm going to clue you right now, that Tailgate Adventures is getting NOWHERE near that for sponsorship, and it's an uphill battle for us to sell sponsorship.

So here is my promise to you. You put together the quarter million dollars, you sell the sponsorships, get the pilot footage, and get the show "approved" on the Sportsmans channel and I'll produce it for you!

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Joe Newlin
UKC Cur Advocate
Home of Oak Ridge Kennels

I will add one other little "tidbit".

At no time did Tailgate Adventures film in a "controlled environment". We filmed in rain, wind, DARK, noisy, train filled, roads (traffic)...you name it...we filmed in it.

We filmed a few competition hunts this year, and none of them made the show. Why? Because it is impossible to film a competition hunt without "interfering" with the cast. We went about filming a competition hunt with the idea that we would be as unobtrusive as possible. Fire up a couple 150 watt lights and shine them in people's faces, try to capture interesting footage while everyone is calling dogs without shining a light in their eyes.....

Then dogs tree possum, fight, or simply can't get a coon treed. We filmed hunts and only the squirrel hunt did we actually come out with "usable" footage.

It could be done, but all participants would have to agree to be filmed, and we would have to "alter" the cast a bit.

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well as far as altering the cast you already have nonhunting judges when it gets down to the the last few cast anyway. and we are all coon hunters, i hope we are anyway. it wouldnt need to be all that indepth as far as every call and every bark.

lol

Doesn't sound near as easy as everybody thinks hu Oak Ridge! Tell ya what when I win the Mega Millions I'll loan ya a cool million. You can make all the huntn' vids you want and hell we'll buy a dang network.....no more paying for airtime!

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Originally posted by Donald Shreve
well as far as altering the cast you already have nonhunting judges when it gets down to the the last few cast anyway. and we are all coon hunters, i hope we are anyway. it wouldnt need to be all that indepth as far as every call and every bark.

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Joe Newlin
UKC Cur Advocate
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its been done, im not sure what year but it was the world hunt. it must not have been a big money maker but oh well.

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Originally posted by Donald Shreve
its been done, im not sure what year but it was the world hunt. it must not have been a big money maker but oh well.

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i new it had been a while thanks buck shot.

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Originally posted by Buckshot
1996 Winter Classic -- there is DVD's for sale of it still.

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Joe Newlin
UKC Cur Advocate
Home of Oak Ridge Kennels

it would seem that the tracking/ dogfood and light companys could put in some money, im just wondering

Joe, as seen by my quoted post, my post was not directed to you about creating and selling a DVD and what is all involved, it was answering someone's post about the hunt they recalled that was filmed.

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Originally posted by Buckshot
Joe, as seen by my quoted post, my post was not directed to you about creating and selling a DVD and what is all involved, it was answering someone's post about the hunt they recalled that was filmed.

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Joe Newlin
UKC Cur Advocate
Home of Oak Ridge Kennels

Everyone has made some great points, and Joe has provided much clarification.

I think the take-away is that it is technically difficult and costly. But... it absolutley can be done, lights and all. Pick any athlete and sport, add the cameras, flashing lights, roar of the crowd, etc. and everything becomes more difficult, but that's why those athletes make millions of dollars. And the millions of dollars are there because of the lights, cameras and hype, because that's what advertisers and sponsors want.

The key is getting everyone on the same page, understanding what will transpire and agreement to make it happen. The move to this took time for every sport, but there must also be a desire to make it happen. Games moved to night time, lights were added, artificial turf, stadiums with roofs, TV time-outs, etc.

Now maybe we don't want to take our sport to "mishaps" during SuperBowl half-times, but there can be some progress in that direction that will benefit the sport. We increase the coverage of pleasure hunts and competition hunts, and we grow the interest in both. And maybe while we're doing it, we educate the masses, and thereby remove the mystery behind those lights and dogs barking in the darkness, and grow our acceptance amongst land owners and other sportsman.

So... if you want to make this happen, put a bug in the sponsors and kennel clubs ears. And if there's enough interest, we'll help them make it happen.

David Schmidt
Host/Executive Producer, Tailgate Adventures LLC.

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Originally posted by Oak Ridge


Then dogs tree possum, fight, or simply can't get a coon treed. We filmed hunts and only the squirrel hunt did we actually come out with "usable" footage.

It could be done, but all participants would have to agree to be filmed, and we would have to "alter" the cast a bit.

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