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Thursday Nite Black and Tan Days

I'm just curious if there would be any interest in a futurity on thursday nite. Open to all pr dogs,one and two year olds. This is just something to think about.... tell me if you think it would go over....

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I do think it is a good idea, but I really don't think it would go to well IMO. From my experinces in the all BNT hunt is that most folks just hunt in that hunt for the fellowship. They could care less about anything else. For someone like me, yeh, I think I would enjoy hunting in something like that.

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Bryan Davis
Rock Bluff Black and Tans
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I know what you mean about the all black hunt,I think this type of hunt would give some of us the chance to put our good so to speak in front of a different group of people.It would also help find out what different dog's are throwing.

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I do think it is a good idea. There are a lot of guys who would like it I think, but others wouldn't really care.

Here is another question along the same lines. The Thursday night all Plott hunt at Plott Days was for UKC points this year. It was advertised in the Bloodlines, and a friend of mine got a win slip for placing in that hunt. He said he was awarded points for an 8th place win for placing 15th in that hunt. Could we do that at the all Black and Tan hunt? I don't see why we couldn't if the Plott folks can, and it would sure make the hunt a little more meaningful.

if that were the case, why not do it for all of the breed only hunts?

the Idea of thursday being a registered hunt was presented to us < the B&t association) at black and tan days in rolla mo 2001, the membership voted it down because they wanted to keep it a fellowship hunt.

I wouldn't be opposed to a Futurity hunt on Thurs. night but I can't imagine there being that many dogs that would hunt in it. 10 dogs? 30 dogs? I dunno.

So, perhaps the other hunts could still be put on. For example, the all black hunt, youth hunt, memorial hunt, etc. I can't really even see a problem with going ahead and having a licensed hunt, too. There'd be about any kind of hunt imaginable and surely at least one of them would suit anybody that wanted to hunt.

I would be all for the futurity hunt. I believe this hunt would probably grow every year. The first year or 2 I could see there only being 20 to 30 pups entered. As the years go on though I think you could see it getting as large as 50 to 100 pups. JMHO!
As for the memorial hunt I don't see it ever growing. I think this hunt was designed to help the bnt sectionals. I know if I go to a sectional its not to qualify my dog for the memorial hunt for i would never hunt in it if I had a dog qualified. I would rather hunt in the all bnt hunt.
As for the futurity I think they could have a bracket for 1 & 2 yr olds. I would sure try to have a young dog to hunt in it each yr.The bnt ass. could take the top 4 cast winners of each age group and put a full page in the year book. It would show the pups pedigree and also show who the sire owner and breeder was. They could also advertise it in one of the major mag.
As for the youth hunt I think thats a great program and we should keep that going on thur. nights. That way they can hunt with handlers there own age. Even though I think they could learn just as much or more about the rules hunting with adults. This is just MHO. I don't see it growing any more then it was this year maybe a few more maybe a few less.

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Tree Jar'n Black and Tans
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319-201-8445

I contacted our President on this subject 2 weeks ago.Dale said he would contact a few people and then would get back with me.I think it would draw like Berger says around 20 to 30 dogs the first couple of years but then would steadily take off.I agree it would not be for everybody,but what is?It is my understanding that the Memorial hunt is finished am I correct? I cannot see where this futurity hunt(B&T only) would hurt a thing with the Thursday night fellowship hunt.For those who want to hunt for the fun of it they can still do that.For those who would like to show case their young dog against dogs of equal age dogs they will be able to do that.I would find it very interesting at the end of the night to see the winners card on the futurity.If you would like to see the futurity hunt be a part of the Thursday night hunt contact our President,Dale Hinson,or contact a board member and let them know.I see where Jason Winks has been on this post, he is a board member get a hold of him.

Rick

I agree with you Rick I think this would grow. When your planning on breeding your female and trying to decide on what to breed to you could hunt with some young dogs and see what the sires are producing you might see something you like in 1 of these young dogs to help in a persons decision.

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Tree Jar'n Black and Tans
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319-201-8445

I like it

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Justin Craft
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You B&T folks might want to take a look at the TWB&FA Breeders Cup Futurity, Walker pups under 2 years old. Around 35 dogs the first year, 12 the second year, hopefully more this year. Paid over 2000 to win the first year and I think around 2800 the second year. Pays a good check to the sire and dam owner too. But it just doesn't seem to taking off. Some things NOT to do. 3 payments to nominate totalling 125 dollars. Too many deadlines to keep track of. Plus Super Stakes costs 40 to nominate with two chances to win 12,000 and 17,000 dollars. Don't even try to compete with that. To be eligable, pup must not be 2 years old after Oct. 1. So if your pup is born say on november, it will be eligable at 13 months(too young) and too old the following year. Half the pups born every year will prolly have birthdays that mean you will have to enter it before it's a year and a half old and will be too old the next year. Basically, you get one shot for your money, compared to 2 chances in the S.S. Another 125.00 to enter.(65.00 to ente rS.S.) So you got 250 to get your pup in the hunt. Keep it simple, keep the costs down. And I think a max age of 28 months too be eligable would help.

Jim,
Thanks for the info, I was wondering how the walker breed handled their futurity. I would like to see something like this but would like to see us follow some of Jim's suggestions and keep it simple and keep the cost down. I agree that it would be a good place to see young dogs out of different stock work.

Allen,
That is exactly what we are trying to do here.Hold a futurity hunt on Thur. night but keep it so everyone can afford it.(Keeping it simple)That was the first thing I tried to do was get away from the 3 payments totalling 125 dollars to get the pup nominated.Keep it at a simple entry fee and two age groups,one yr olds and two yr olds.I am gonna call Dale tomorrow and see what is going on with this.I was wanting to get this on line before B&T Days 2004 but it is possible that it will be 2005, if at all.I came up with this idea about 3 months ago standing in the woods listening to my dog tree, so I ran it by a few people, and the phone has not stopped ringing from the folks wanting to know if it is gonna be on for this B&T Days.For everyone wanting to see it happen all I can say is get on the phone and call Dale Hinson.

I think This idea has potential, the key would be if the membership would support it. The memorial hunt doesnt draw a lot of dogs, but its limited to a certain number that qualify. still there seems to be more prestige with winning the all Black hunt. I'm not sure what to do about it. Ive heard a lot of people saying that they like the all black hunt better because if they give 20 places. the memorial hunt is all or nothing. I dont think money should be involved for a prize though, it just complicates things. Some recognition would be great, and good publicity is hard to come by , both for the hunter/ breeder and the association.

Jason,as Mr Pritchard put it,get away from the three payment's totaling 125$. I feel 25 to nominate and 25 to enter the hunt would be a small enough sum that everyone could play.Use the fee's to get lights,dog boxes,boot's,hat's,squallers or anything that could be considered a prize. Money for a prize, I don't think that is the intent.

From the looks of the poll almost 75% support it,now we need to get some support from the board member's..........

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PR B and B's Smokin' Willie


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Nite Ch.Gr.Ch. Shaker Hill Mr. Grubbs (2003-2011)

I believe that this could turn into something that becomes very big. Here is a few thoughts, maybe, on how to set it up. I would have all the dogs with in a year of age, 12 - 24 months or 18 - 30 months. I think after they are 2, they are not a pup any more. But, I would split them into two different age groups. Say, if your hunting them 12 - 24 months then I would hunt the 12 - 17 month old dogs together, and the 18 -24 together. I would have a $50 entry, $25 paid by January 31, then the other $25 by April 1st. By that time the people with young dogs would know if they are going to be ready for Black & Tan days. With the 1st, $25 send a photo copy of the dogs pedigree. The person in charge of this puts all of the pedigrees in a pile & when they get the 2nd $25 to confirm it, pull the pedigree & put it into another pile. Take that pile to Black & Tan days. You will know how many pups you are hunting. Send ALL pup cast to the same club. When the winners come back in, you can pull their pedigree & hang it back up. Write their score on the pedigree so everybody can see who the owner of the sire & dam is, & the owner of the pup. I think this is why this would really take off. There is alot of small time breeders out there that produce nice young dogs that don't get the recognition for what they have done. I personally would like to see a pay back to the four cast winners of each age group with the high scores. These dogs should not have to go back out & hunt it off. There would be to much time involved. I don't really care about the winner of that night, myself. I just want to see who is producing nice young dogs.

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Mark Reed

Mark,
That all sounds good to me.I'm still waiting on a reply from the head honcho though!

Rick

I like the idea of the 18 to 30 months.

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Tree Jar'n Black and Tans
Home of Tree Jar'n Coonhound Kennels


319-201-8445

I have paid nominations on 4 Walker pups and I don't even like the Walker Futurity but I love competeing with pups. If you B&T guys get it right I might try my luck. Wouldn't have any idea where to look for a pup but I'd figure it out.