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poll on crossbreeds

click yes if you think crossbreeding is wrong

click no if you dont think crossbreeding is wrong

Why post this redundant question on this board?

Why bother producing MUTTS? UKC supplies excellent pedigrees that are FULL of info about the ancestors of each breed - do your homework & don't mix the breeds unless you don't care about the NEXT generation of MUTTS that will end up being dumped in shelters, dog pounds and at the side of the road.

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I take it you voted "yes"???

my thoughts

if your raising it to eat hybridize it
i don,think very many americans eat dogs

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Poll on Cross Breeds

Shetler's Sonny Boy, the sire of Finley River Chief, Johnson's Banjo, just a couple of hounds that go back to cross bred mutts, as some narrow minded people, would say. Lester Nance's White River King, goes back to a black&tan female and others. Single registered hounds, or dogs that go back to them, Carolinia Casey, acha world hunt winner 68, 69 and placed in 4 of the world hunts, his mother was, single registered. Katy's Rowdy, another acha world hunt winner, went back to Mountain Music Blue and Blaze. There's a whole lot of big name dogs, that go back to cross bred hounds, why that lady in Texas, might have some in her kennel and don't know it. If everybody on this board was hunting a world class, coon hound, then there wouldn't be any need to improve their stock, would there ? And to hear some of them talk, you'd think, that they already had it all, till you go hunt, with them. Well you can't tell some people anything, cause they already know it all, but for the rest of us, we're still learning, still trying.

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I think crossing breeding between the coonhound breeds themselves would be optimal, but I hope they dont throw other items in there. Both hounds should be PR bred hounds within UKC in order for them to be crossed.
Has worked wonders for some of the cattle breeds. (ie Brangus, Beefmaster, Brafords, etc).

JMO

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How could ya miss Speck? Wasn't he GR NITE Walker before he went on to win the world as an English? I believe there was an earlier post on this and I still have mixed emotions on it. It has worked for food in cattle and hogs but would I condone it in hounds? Some great things have already came from it but can't say I'd want to open register my dogs. Granted, I've never owned as great a dog as Hayes Hardtime Speck (single, open registered) or alot of the crossbred hounds that have made made certain breeds great, and probably never will own such a hound. I personally don't condone crossbreeding of coonhounds and open registry but I have no problem with 50% cattle. Does that make me a hypocrit, narrow minded, or does UKC need to change it's system for open registry? Say what you want about me, just food for thought, lol.

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Re: Why post this redundant question on this board?

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Originally posted by skyblu
Why bother producing MUTTS? UKC supplies excellent pedigrees that are FULL of info about the ancestors of each breed - do your homework & don't mix the breeds unless you don't care about the NEXT generation of MUTTS that will end up being dumped in shelters, dog pounds and at the side of the road.

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arent their also other

dogs that r not coonhounds that r cross bred....cockapoo....labradoddles.......anythin ppl can cross to make a $$ or two.....noones gettin ontop them n ragin a rucus b/c they r over breedin either...why just pick on the coonhounds?

trainers is what needs crossing

There are very good bred dogs in each breed , crossing of the breeds is not needed , maybe crossing the trainers is needed. What is the need of crossing breeds when the pups go to the same trainers.The main thing needed to produce better dogs is , dedicating the time that is needed to bring out the bred in potential,the ability is bred into them it is up to us to bring it to the surface. I know that I do not have the time that I used to spend with my dogs this is my fault not the dogs.Put the blame on two legs not four!

Maybe a little English Blue in the wood pile. Whatever the breeding it is it looks like its working so keep on. I hunt walker dogs but the best dog I have ever been to the woods with was a cross. Just my opinion. Good hunting
Justin

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Originally posted by justin tumbleso
Maybe a little English Blue in the wood pile. Whatever the breeding it is it looks like its working so keep on. I hunt walker dogs but the best dog I have ever been to the woods with was a cross. Just my opinion. Good hunting
Justin

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Originally posted by JOE H BROOKS
Shetler's Sonny Boy, the sire of Finley River Chief, Johnson's Banjo, just a couple of hounds that go back to cross bred mutts, as some narrow minded people, would say. Lester Nance's White River King, goes back to a black&tan female and others. Single registered hounds, or dogs that go back to them, Carolinia Casey, acha world hunt winner 68, 69 and placed in 4 of the world hunts, his mother was, single registered. Katy's Rowdy, another acha world hunt winner, went back to Mountain Music Blue and Blaze. There's a whole lot of big name dogs, that go back to cross bred hounds, why that lady in Texas, might have some in her kennel and don't know it. If everybody on this board was hunting a world class, coon hound, then there wouldn't be any need to improve their stock, would there ? And to hear some of them talk, you'd think, that they already had it all, till you go hunt, with them. Well you can't tell some people anything, cause they already know it all, but for the rest of us, we're still learning, still trying.

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WKFII,well stated Bill!

to me all u get is alligators out of it and sure u can get some good ones but think about how tight that all gets for like bear dogs they do it to and they can get some real alligators breeding for more bite

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Originally posted by walkers4ever
to me all u get is alligators out of it and sure u can get some good ones but think about how tight that all gets for like bear dogs they do it to and they can get some real alligators breeding for more bite

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Originally posted by walkers4ever
to me all u get is alligators out of it and sure u can get some good ones but think about how tight that all gets for like bear dogs they do it to and they can get some real alligators breeding for more bite

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Just for the fun of it, someone should post this question on the Shadetree board, and see the responses from the guys who catch big game regularly. In my opinion, the thing that nite hunts have done to coon hunting is make people breed to titled dogs instead of breeding to coondogs, sometimes they ain't the same. I have drawn a certain dog 3 or 4 times in local hunts here, it is a night CH dog, and I am sure he is a good one, but I have yet to see him tree a coon. To me, that is proof that you can earn titles with mediocre dogs. I want to see a dog go, and do what it's supposed to, before I breed my female to it. I like the big game mentality breed the best to the best. I know a big game breeder who breeds Walkers, but will crossbreed if he thinks it will help. He breeds for traits he likes and nothing else. He has developed some very good big game dogs, and he has a very hight rate of dogs that make it, like 8 out of 10. That is better than those who take a "brood" female (to me that is one who has good papers, but would not know a coon if it bit her in the nose) and breed her to the next high power titled dog to get some pups where half of them are worthless.

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Originally posted by newhunter
Just for the fun of it, someone should post this question on the Shadetree board, and see the responses from the guys who catch big game regularly. In my opinion, the thing that nite hunts have done to coon hunting is make people breed to titled dogs instead of breeding to coondogs, sometimes they ain't the same. I have drawn a certain dog 3 or 4 times in local hunts here, it is a night CH dog, and I am sure he is a good one, but I have yet to see him tree a coon. To me, that is proof that you can earn titles with mediocre dogs. I want to see a dog go, and do what it's supposed to, before I breed my female to it. I like the big game mentality breed the best to the best. I know a big game breeder who breeds Walkers, but will crossbreed if he thinks it will help. He breeds for traits he likes and nothing else. He has developed some very good big game dogs, and he has a very hight rate of dogs that make it, like 8 out of 10. That is better than those who take a "brood" female (to me that is one who has good papers, but would not know a coon if it bit her in the nose) and breed her to the next high power titled dog to get some pups where half of them are worthless.

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WKFII,well stated Bill!

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im with the majority of you that papers dont tree coons. i do comp hunt but believe in breeding the best to the best. good pedigrees look nice but there is no garentee with them. some of the best dog ive hunted with were crosses. seems most people today forget about those good country coondogs that will go out there and tree ya a sack full of coon.

Walkers.

There have been alot of posts on this that have been excellent. My apologies but your's were lousy. Breed an alligator Walker to an alligator Walker, you get an alliger Walker. Breed an alligator Walker to an alligator English you get a single registered alligator. If you want to make a cross, pure or crossbred you have to breed for desired traits you want. If someone you know crossbred for alligators, that's what they want. They could have bred purebred alligators as well. There have been many good crosses in crossbreeding and many bad ones too. There have also been many good and bad crosses in purebred hounds also. You can pick a dog from any breed with traits you like and also traits you dislike from any dog of any breed. Most of the breeds come from the same heritage anyway, simply seperated by color. UKC allows for crossing of breeds through single registry. Breeding the best to the best no matter what breed can never be a bad thing. Understand the whole titled to titled thing may not be the best either. Depends on characteristics to characteristics more than title to title. Too many people look at the caption rather than the big picture.

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A good dog is a good dog.
Some of the best dogs I ever hit the woods with were crossed. I use to know alot of old timers that didn't want pure breds they said they weren't smart enough, that you had to cross em to get any brains. Of course I don't "totaly" agree with that but I do know "papers don't tree a coon"

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If I raised any other breed other than Treeing Walkers, I would carry all my females down to Buzz Lynch and breed them to Rat Attack. Honestly I would.

Blister, exactly what all the narrow minded, egotistical. a-holes are looking for. Good dogs are blue, red, white, black, any color as long as they are standing at the base of a tree. Even heinz 57 looks good under a coon. Get a dog or get a reason to complain about your problems, nuff said!

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