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Posted by cjr1982 on 02-01-2018 11:48 PM:

Should BBOA and BBCHA merge into one United organization ?

Should BBOA and BBCHA merge to form one United Organization ??

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Posted by BEST EVER on 02-02-2018 01:32 AM:

Yep no two memberships, no more two blue books and more money for the events, they would have and better Blue Book and bigger hunts. JMO.

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Posted by Craig Edwards on 02-02-2018 05:01 AM:

Merge....YES, adopting the best policies and practices each club has to offer. A take over by either organization....NO. Only what’s best for the breed itself, and the ones that own, show, breed, hunt them.

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Posted by Roy Clifton on 02-02-2018 05:17 AM:

Why Not

Like Mr Edwards stated, use the best from both.
Keep all the hunt and shows like they are to fit everybody.
It is supposed to be about promoting Blue!

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Posted by Jim Bartley on 02-02-2018 03:37 PM:

Never happen.

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Posted by morgan branch on 02-02-2018 05:46 PM:

I agree with Mr. Edwards 100%. A merger not a who takes who over because that will always leave a thorn in someone's side but a merger of the two would be a great idea. Kinda like breeding good coondog to good coondog. A person is trying to get the best in one hide and improve upon what they had.. Always look to the future. If folks haven't noticed there isn't a huge waiting line for up and comer coonhunters. We are dying breed, with the use of land becoming more and more scarce the younger generation isn't as apt to try to get into our sport. So with that being said the future coon hunters number as a whole is declining let alone the ones who prefer to follow the bluetick breed. Another way to look at it if you have a small mom and pop hardware store on each end of town and the towns biggest employer is laying people off and the population is declining in town they are both gonna feel the impact and will struggle to make ends meet at the end of the day but if John's true value and Bill's Ace Hardware join together and open up a single Home depot They both win in the long run. When you eat a whole cake you get your belly full but when divided into 20 small pieces everyone gets a taste but nobody gets full. Just my thoughts which don't account for much. LOL

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Posted by Craig Edwards on 02-03-2018 02:36 AM:

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Originally posted by morgan branch
I agree with Mr. Edwards 100%. A merger not a who takes who over because that will always leave a thorn in someone's side but a merger of the two would be a great idea. Kinda like breeding good coondog to good coondog. A person is trying to get the best in one hide and improve upon what they had.. Always look to the future. If folks haven't noticed there isn't a huge waiting line for up and comer coonhunters. We are dying breed, with the use of land becoming more and more scarce the younger generation isn't as apt to try to get into our sport. So with that being said the future coon hunters number as a whole is declining let alone the ones who prefer to follow the bluetick breed. Another way to look at it if you have a small mom and pop hardware store on each end of town and the towns biggest employer is laying people off and the population is declining in town they are both gonna feel the impact and will struggle to make ends meet at the end of the day but if John's true value and Bill's Ace Hardware join together and open up a single Home depot They both win in the long run. When you eat a whole cake you get your belly full but when divided into 20 small pieces everyone gets a taste but nobody gets full. Just my thoughts which don't account for much. LOL

Loved your analogy; The Best to the Best......in "One Hide!" Well said!!!

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Posted by BlueLabelKennel on 02-04-2018 03:29 AM:

What do you really have to gain ? A bag of dog food ?That's close in cost to a membership . If you need a bag of dog feed worse than you need a second membership ,its time to re-evaluate your finances and hound population ,I'd think . I'm not in favor of merging ,and being monopolized ,so to speak . Competition and choice ,are good. Just like owning a 2nd vehicle or having a 2nd bridge to cross the river with . Anytime there is a merger ,in order to be fair , both partners must put in equally or 1 is going to control the other . The controlling partner ,will have the say so . Do you know which one that will be ? Maybe we need some financial statements, posted, to see how the dominos are going to fall .Fair is fair and never say never, but guys ,throw your cards on the table ,face up ,if you want to see who's holding the best hand and not bluffing,for the win .I belong to both organizations ,and have no problem continuing that way . As I said, in an earlier post , if you're wanting to have this big happy Bluetick Family ,you need to bring them all together ,including B.O.S.S. Blue is blue is blue . JMO

Posted by Drummerblue2 on 02-04-2018 02:46 PM:

Opinion

It would be a terrible thing for all of us blue tickers to get in the same boat and push on up the river. A divided house will fall just a mader of time .I don't know why it is so hard for folks that have the same compassion for the same breed of hounds to get along. Pride is a hard pull to swallow.

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 02-04-2018 03:53 PM:

Pie in the sky talk and lofty ideals which appeal towards a noble motive. On the flip side, not one mention of/or volunteer to step up to the plate and offer time, ideas, or $$ towards said motive?

How would you even begin? A neutral unbiased broker approved by both organizations for a first step? This wouldn’t happen for free, who would put up the $$ for this and any other related legal expenses?

Maybe the most passionate individuals behind this push should be the ones to present a detailed plan?

I am currently not a member of either organization, so these ramblings and a couple bucks may be good for a cup of coffee

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Posted by Craig Edwards on 02-04-2018 11:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Vic Stoll
Pie in the sky talk and lofty ideals which appeal towards a noble motive. On the flip side, not one mention of/or volunteer to step up to the plate and offer time, ideas, or $$ towards said motive?

How would you even begin? A neutral unbiased broker approved by both organizations for a first step? This wouldn’t happen for free, who would put up the $$ for this and any other related legal expenses?

Maybe the most passionate individuals behind this push should be the ones to present a detailed plan?

I am currently not a member of either organization, so these ramblings and a couple bucks may be good for a cup of coffee

The questions you are asking can not be answered until both organizations are willing to sit down at the table. The detailed plan will have to be, and I think could be negotiated. You get the coffee, I'll get the tip.

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Posted by Craig Edwards on 02-04-2018 11:40 PM:

Re: no

quote:
Originally posted by BlueLabelKennel
What do you really have to gain ? A bag of dog food ?That's close in cost to a membership . If you need a bag of dog feed worse than you need a second membership ,its time to re-evaluate your finances and hound population ,I'd think . I'm not in favor of merging ,and being monopolized ,so to speak . Competition and choice ,are good. Just like owning a 2nd vehicle or having a 2nd bridge to cross the river with . Anytime there is a merger ,in order to be fair , both partners must put in equally or 1 is going to control the other . The controlling partner ,will have the say so . Do you know which one that will be ? Maybe we need some financial statements, posted, to see how the dominos are going to fall .Fair is fair and never say never, but guys ,throw your cards on the table ,face up ,if you want to see who's holding the best hand and not bluffing,for the win .I belong to both organizations ,and have no problem continuing that way . As I said, in an earlier post , if you're wanting to have this big happy Bluetick Family ,you need to bring them all together ,including B.O.S.S. Blue is blue is blue . JMO

I am curious; you mentioned being a member of BBOA and BBCHA, but are you a member of BOSS? Just wondering. If there was one association.....every blue dog person could join it. When you add the cost of entering your dog; joining both organizations; and regular hunt expenses, it is more than just a membership. To advertise in both blue books is 200.00. That's not much money for some....for others it is a deal breaker. If you have two, or three, or ever how many threads, they become stronger when they are woven together, and become one. Pride, personal agendas, tradition, and preferences are hard to lay aside. Comfort zones are called comfort zones for a reason: whatever (and that means whatever) is best for the breed..........needs to happen. JMO

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Posted by Craig Edwards on 02-04-2018 11:47 PM:

I am nothing, and no one knows that better than me. My opinions are even less valuable. Everyone knows what I think about it, so there's no point in me saying anything else. I do appreciate everything, everyone does for the bluetick breed. If there is going to be more than one organization, I hope they are all strong!!! My experience in churches (celebrated 50 years in the ministry today) has helped me to realize the advantages of being united, and the dangers of being divided. I wish the best for everyone, no matter how you feel or where you stand on this issue.

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 02-05-2018 01:44 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Craig Edwards
The questions you are asking can not be answered until both organizations are willing to sit down at the table. The detailed plan will have to be, and I think could be negotiated. You get the coffee, I'll get the tip.

Craig, you are the man who has brought this proposition to the table. Lead by example, step up and offer a detailed plan to make this possible! It will take countless hours and unrewarded effort on your part, and what you propose will be whittled upon and ridiculed, but will be a START! It is easy to critique a plan laid out in front of you, but much more difficult to create the plan to be critiqued. You are the man which needs to bring the plan in front of both organizations to give them a reason to even consider coming to the table to discuss. Draw from your 50 years experience in the church, ministry, and your passion! A little help from the man up above sure won’t hurt a thing either! Don’t quit now, at least try! To try and fail is better to never try at all. There is no doubt in my mind you have a bunch of good ideas rolling around in that sage mind of yours. Organize those ideas and present them!

Posted by BlueLabelKennel on 02-05-2018 04:37 AM:

No, I'm not a member of B.O.S.S.,is the answer to your wondering .Now ,I'm wondering ,how many people that are for putting these associations together ,advertise in both books and are paid up in both memberships ? To have a legitimate gripe ,I'd think one would have to have "been there ,done that". The what if's and the 2 birds in the bush just don't seem to get it .If the merger ,would take to the bargaining table ,how would the association that is low on money ,ever be able to raise enough money, to reach a plateau that is equal to the other bargaining party ,when they cant sell memberships, yearbook ads or produce numbers in hunts and shows ? It's obvious ,that there is a lot more to this than pride ,personal agenda's ,tradition and preferences. I'm glad this is a free world and we all have the right to voice our opinions . If " EVERYONE" that hunted,owned,promoted and raised Blueticks would just buy a membership , the cost of the memberships and ads would probably go down and participation up. .If you only want to participate in one organization ,pick it and support it .If you want to do 2 or 3 ,do them, and if it doesn't matter at all ,don't do any . Just get on facebook ,the internet or advertise somewhere cheap,keep the most money you can and point your finger at the ones who participated and tried to promote the breed on their dime. JMO & SMH

Posted by Craig Edwards on 02-05-2018 05:41 PM:

Vic, this has been looked at and talked about before I ever mentioned it. Just wanted you to know. I appreciate and respect your opinion on the matter. I’m not an officer in either organization (and have no desire to be); therefore, I can’t orchestrate the things that would need to happen. I am, however, willing to do whatever I am able to do, but this idea did not originate with me. I have never been driven, or controlled by public opinion, and don’t plan to start now. My only desire is to see the breed thrive, and all of those who love blue dogs to come together, and move forward. If that is a crime....I plead guilty. Ps. I do have a few thoughts, and ideas, and if anyone is interested, I’ll gladly share them. And again Vic, I really do appreciate your comments!!!

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Posted by rance56 on 02-06-2018 02:33 AM:

Does anyone know if the members can force this with a vote on both sides? Has 2 people ran as president of each organization with this being the centerpiece of their agenda?

First thing that needs to be answered is what are all pontential ways this could be accomplished per the bylaws.

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Posted by nextcoonhunters on 02-10-2018 11:00 PM:

don't matter to me

I like the bluebooks from both and I haven't had problems with either organization But I just like to hunt. I don't know for sure but from what I can see 1, 2, or 50 organizations doesn't matter when most people are stuck in a click. for example they won't and don't breed to the best because of who knows it. Or they breed to junk because their buddy owns it. Just what I have seen from some. But like I said I just like hunting and don't care about the politics. when you figure it out come find me in the timber, and let me know who and how much to make out the check to for my dues.

Posted by Digger10 on 02-11-2018 10:48 PM:

If you recall a couple of years ago BBOA had a ballot out where the members voted and passed a possible merger. I made the trip to BBCHA Fall round up but they were not interested in a merger. As far as I know their membership has never voted on a merger.
It is not hard to do but both sides must be willing to sit down and come up with new by-laws, or merge the by-laws by combining what both sides like, a new name as neither side would approve using one or the other. Both sides have tremendous history and all of that must be preserved. All it would take is a few people to sit down for a day and combine heads and has it out. We are willing to do that if the time comes.
Then the memberships from each would have to vote on approving the new name, by-laws and organization setups. Could you imagine the what the new book could be? More ads because people would not have to spend money for two different books. More members as a whole because wouldn't have to buy dual memberships. All Blue hunts ran under one banner united together.
It cannot be and never should be a takeover as I have heard some people saying just fold one or the other and the other one will take over. That is not a merger!
A merger is compromise on both sides and doing what is best for the membership as a whole.
Some day this may happen. When the memberships from both want it to happen and a vote is made for it to happen.
I will continue to do as our membership votes to do until I am no longer in office.
This is your organization and you are the people that makes it work so it is your decision.
I am personally in favor of it as I have belonged to both for many years.

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