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Posted by gpent24 on 01-30-2017 03:51 PM:

Tick Disease is Real.

I made a post a while back about a dog that has always stuck a tree suddenly not sticking a tree. Well lately it went from not sticking a tree to not hunting. He was real lethargic and seemed uninterested in hunting. I was also having problems keeping weight on him. When this started happening I knew something was up. So i took him to the vet and sure enough he was diagonosed with a form of tick disease/fungal infection. I can't remember if he said it was lykia or another. His lympthnodes were 3 times the size of normal. I have him on infection medicine now. I've seen alot of posting on here about this effecting a dog and I can now vouch from personal experience that it definitely can effect a dog in the hunting aspect.

Posted by Sonny Phipps on 01-30-2017 05:13 PM:

On a hopeful note, I know some top winners have had these tick diseases and still went on to win. It takes some work to get them figured out and the side effects can vary from dog to dog.

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Posted by ahallada on 01-30-2017 07:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Sonny Phipps
On a hopeful note, I know some top winners have had these tick diseases and still went on to win. It takes some work to get them figured out and the side effects can vary from dog to dog.

I know of many that recovered as well and are doing well. Best to prevent these tick borne illnesses by keeping these dogs on good tick prevention. I recommend Simparica combined with Permethrin spray. Just give them a light dusting of the spray before cutting them loose across their back and sides. Takes a few seconds.

Here is a good article for reading:

Ehrlichiosis in Dogs
Drs. Foster & Smith Educational Staff
Canine ehrlichiosis is a disease of dogs and wild canids (e.g.; wolves) and is found worldwide. Canine ehrlichiosis is also
known by other names such as 'tracker dog disease,' 'tropical canine pancytopenia,' 'canine hemorrhagic fever,' and 'canine
typhus.' It affected a large number of military dogs in the war in Vietnam.
What causes ehrlichiosis?
Ehrlichiosis in dogs is most commonly caused by Ehrlichia canis, E. chaffeensis, E. ewingii, and possibly E. ruminantium.
There are multiple strains of Ehrlichia, affecting different species of animals. Some also affect people. Some organisms that
were formerly classified as Ehrlichia have now been reclassfied as Anaplasma. The Ehrlichia organisms are what we call
rickettsia, which on the evolutionary scale are between bacteria and viruses.
How is Ehrlichia transmitted?
Ehrlichia are transmitted by ticks including the Brown Dog Tick, Rhipicephalus sanguineus and the Lone Star Tick
Amblyomma americanum. The immature form of the tick feeds on an animal infected with Ehrlichia. When these immature
ticks or a mature form of the tick feeds on another animal, the Ehrlichia is passed on to that animal. The Ehrlichia can remain
alive in the developing tick for up to 5 months. This means a tick could become infected in the fall, and infect a dog the
following spring.
Because the disease is transmitted by these ticks, it can occur wherever Brown Dog and Lone Star Ticks are found. Almost
every state in the United States has reported a case of ehrlichiosis.
What are the symptoms of ehrlichiosis?
Ehrlichiosis can have three phases. Signs of the acute phase of the disease usually develop 1-3 weeks after the bite of the
infected tick. The acute phase of the disease generally lasts 2-4 weeks. The Ehrlichia enter white blood cells and reproduce
inside of them. In addition to the blood, these cells are found in the lymph nodes, spleen, liver, and bone marrow. Platelets,
the small cell fragments that help blood to clot, are often destroyed, as well. As a result of the infection, the lymph nodes,
liver, and spleen are often enlarged. Anemia, fever, depression, lethargy, loss of appetite, shortness of breath, joint pain and
stiffness, and bruises are often seen. Many dogs will be able to fight off the infection. If not, they enter the subclinical phase.
In the subclinical phase the animal may appear normal or show only slight anemia. During this phase the Ehrlichia live inside
the spleen. This phase can last for months or years. Ultimately, the dog either eliminates the Ehrlichia from the body or the
infection may progress to the chronic phase.
The chronic phase can be either mild or severe. Weight loss, anemia, neurological signs, bleeding, inflammation of the eye,
edema (fluid accumulation) in the hind legs, and fever may be seen. Blood tests show that one or all of the different blood cell
types are decreased. One cell type, the lymphocyte may increase and be abnormal in appearance. This can sometimes be
confused with certain types of leukemia. If a dog becomes chronically infected, the disease can keep coming back, especially
during periods of stress. In some cases, arthritis or a kidney disease called 'glomerluonephritis' may develop.
A decrease in the number of platelets (platelets help the blood clot) in the blood is the most common laboratory finding in all
phases of the disease. Changes in the protein levels in the blood are common. The most common protein, albumin, is
decreased and other types of protein called 'globulins' are increased.
Since one tick could be infected with and transmit more than one disease (e.g.; haemobartonellosis or babesiosis), it is not all
that uncommon to see a dog infected with more than one of these diseases at a time, which generally causes more severe
symptoms.
How is ehrlichiosis diagnosed?
The diagnosis is based on the typical clinical signs and results of special blood tests.
Two blood tests that detect the dog's antibodies (proteins produced to fight off the infection) to Ehrlichia are available. One is
called the indirect immunofluorescent antibody (IFA) test, and the other is known as an ELISA test. A veterinarian cannot
rely solely on these tests to make a diagnosis. The antibodies may not be detected in the early phase of the disease, since it
takes some time for the body to make them. Also, if a dog is extremely ill, he may not be able to produce enough antibodies
to be accurately detected. A positive test demonstrates that the dog has been exposed to Ehrlichia, but not that he necessarily
is currently infected. In the acute stage of the disease, the antibody level will rise significantly. Often two tests will be done 2
weeks apart and the results compared. Dogs with an active infection will show a significant rise in the amount of antibody
present.
The antibodies can last for one or more years after the infection, but they do not make the dog immune to ehrlichiosis - the
dog could get reinfected.
A newer diagnostic test called the PCR tests for the presence of the organism itself, not antibodies to it. Unfortunately, it does
not distinguish between live an dead organisms. For this reason, it is generally recommended to perform the PCR along with
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one of the antibody tests to make a diagnosis.
Sometimes, the organism can be seen inside cells on a blood smear. To find them, a small drop of blood is spread over a
microscope slide, stained and examined under the microscope. The organism can only be found in the bloodstream for a few
days during the acute phase of the disease. So this method of diagnosis could miss some cases of the disease.
How is ehrlichiosis treated?
The antibiotics, tetracycline or doxycycline are used. Treatment is usually for 3-4 weeks, even though the dog's symptoms
generally improve after several days of therapy. Some dogs will need blood transfusions or intravenous fluids depending on
the severity of the disease. Generally, the prognosis during the acute phase is good, if the animal is properly treated. Dogs
who go on to the chronic phase have a poorer prognosis. German Shepherds and Doberman Pinschers tend to have a more
severe chronic form of the disease.
The drug, imidocarb dipropionate, is sometimes used in conjunction with the antibiotics. It is given as an injection, but may
not be available in all areas.
Some of the damage caused by Ehrlichia may be due to the dog's own immune response to the organism. For this reason, if
immune-mediated arthritis or decrease in platelets occurs, corticosteroids (e.g., prednisolone) may be given.
How can I prevent ehrlichiosis in my pet?
Tick control is the main way to prevent ehrlichiosis. Products which repel and kill ticks such as those containing permethrins
are excellent choices. Tick collars containing the active ingredient amitraz (Preventic collars) are also used, sometimes in
conjunction with permethrin products in those areas with high tick infestations. If a large number of cases of ehrlichiosis are
diagnosed in an area, some veterinarians recommend placing dogs on low doses of tetracycline or doxycycline during the tick
season.
There is no vaccine for ehrlichiosis.
Can people get ehrlichiosis?
Yes. The common symptoms in people include fever, chills, headache, and muscle aches. Other less common symptoms
include nausea, loss of appetite, weight loss, abdominal pain, cough, diarrhea and change in mental status.
People do NOT get infected directly from a dog, but through a tick bite. Also, the Ehrlichia species most often implicated in
human infections is E. chaffeensis.

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Posted by Rex Ridge on 01-30-2017 09:48 PM:

Darn ticks!!
A lot of dogs, horses and people around here got Lyme's disease last yr.

Hope your dog recovers.

Posted by coonbone on 01-30-2017 11:10 PM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ahallada
[B]I know of many that recovered as well and are doing well. Best to prevent these tick borne illnesses by keeping these dogs on good tick prevention. I recommend Simparica combined with Permethrin spray. Just give them a light dusting of the spray before cutting them loose across their back and sides. Takes a few seconds.

Is there a difference in Permethrin,and Pyretherin? Would Deet work?

Posted by ahallada on 01-31-2017 06:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by coonbone
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ahallada
[B]I know of many that recovered as well and are doing well. Best to prevent these tick borne illnesses by keeping these dogs on good tick prevention. I recommend Simparica combined with Permethrin spray. Just give them a light dusting of the spray before cutting them loose across their back and sides. Takes a few seconds.

Is there a difference in Permethrin,and Pyretherin? Would Deet work?

Just get the cheap permethrin spray from your local farm supply. You can also buy the kennel and farm spray and dilute it out. It's around $10 a bottle in concentrated form so when you dilute it , it's really inexpensive. Costs under a buck a bottle for the diluted spray. Make sure you follow the dilution correctly and keep the bottles in a secure and safe place.

You can also hang your clothes up on the clothes line and spray your clothes with the spray and let it dry. I used to just spray it on my pants and back of my jacket before going to the woods. It works great in preventing ticks.

Posted by coonbone on 01-31-2017 02:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ahallada
Just get the cheap permethrin spray from your local farm supply. You can also buy the kennel and farm spray and dilute it out. It's around $10 a bottle in concentrated form so when you dilute it , it's really inexpensive. Costs under a buck a bottle for the diluted spray. Make sure you follow the dilution correctly and keep the bottles in a secure and safe place.

You can also hang your clothes up on the clothes line and spray your clothes with the spray and let it dry. I used to just spray it on my pants and back of my jacket before going to the woods. It works great in preventing ticks.

I always spray my chaps with pyretherin once a week during tick season.Haven't had a tick on me since doing this.Does the permethrin have a dilution rate on the bottle?

Posted by wjoey on 01-31-2017 03:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ahallada
Just get the cheap permethrin spray from your local farm supply. You can also buy the kennel and farm spray and dilute it out. It's around $10 a bottle in concentrated form so when you dilute it , it's really inexpensive. Costs under a buck a bottle for the diluted spray. Make sure you follow the dilution correctly and keep the bottles in a secure and safe place.

You can also hang your clothes up on the clothes line and spray your clothes with the spray and let it dry. I used to just spray it on my pants and back of my jacket before going to the woods. It works great in preventing ticks.

I do it every time and I still got it ,one little tick removed in less that 2 hours after I could have got it on me and 14 days to the mark I got sick, its good to see that someone finally post that it affects the mind as well as the body , I'm living proof of that , I feel sorry for any dog or human that gets it.

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Posted by Well Started on 01-31-2017 05:00 PM:

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Originally posted by Bob Hennessey
If it's ehrlichia good luck, most dogs are never the same again. Hope your dog recovers. I had two dogs with tick disease one ehrlichia one had Lymes neither was the same dog afterwards. Wish you better luck.

Had one that made a full recovery after 3 mo's, but I was hunting the dog steady and caught it real early as soon as symptoms started showing up and I seen it wearing out at the tree and knew something was off. I took it to a vet and got it diagnosed. I don't believe the dog picked it up here but had it when it arrived from the South.

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Posted by msinc on 02-01-2017 08:29 AM:

I have a walker that had it. My vet found it on one of those blood test things after he tested positive. She ran more tests and confirmed it. He made a full recovery pretty quick. I guess it depends on how bad the dog got it or how far it went before the owner gets the dog medical attention.
I know the disease is out there and real, but I do not believe it causes all the things many guys are claiming it can do. Sorry fellas, I just don't buy that a tick bite makes dogs all of a sudden slick tree all night long, fight at the tree or take up babbling and running junk.

Posted by wjoey on 02-01-2017 12:19 PM:

Folks this is how this disease works I have felt like crap for 2 weeks and this morning I have a doctor appointment and I'm feeling better ,after another round of doxy, and I'm glad I do not want to go back to the hospital for Iv antibiotics that even make you sicker , My mind will probably never recover and the seizures will never stop but if I can just get outside and feed my cows do some work and hunt a little I'm happy.

Posted by yadkintar on 02-01-2017 12:34 PM:

I had it in 1983 was in the hospital 2 weeks sickest I ever been fever got so high that I was seeing things I don't have any issues now that I know of maybe arthritis if I am crazy I can't tell it but everybody else might see it lol.

Posted by wjoey on 02-01-2017 01:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
I had it in 1983 was in the hospital 2 weeks sickest I ever been fever got so high that I was seeing things I don't have any issues now that I know of maybe arthritis if I am crazy I can't tell it but everybody else might see it lol.

I gona go ahead and diagnose you with brain dysfunction your not totally mentally incompetent yet

Posted by gpent24 on 02-01-2017 02:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by msinc
I have a walker that had it. My vet found it on one of those blood test things after he tested positive. She ran more tests and confirmed it. He made a full recovery pretty quick. I guess it depends on how bad the dog got it or how far it went before the owner gets the dog medical attention.
I know the disease is out there and real, but I do not believe it causes all the things many guys are claiming it can do. Sorry fellas, I just don't buy that a tick bite makes dogs all of a sudden slick tree all night long, fight at the tree or take up babbling and running junk.

Well I don't know about the running junk or the slick treeing. But this is a 3 year old dog who I have treed coons with on a regular basis, And this whole deal that got me wondering started about a month ago. He would only tree for a minute or so and then get down. I'm not sure if that had to do with being tired or weak or just confused. But he didn't want to tree. This turned into not hunting at all about a week ago. You are going to have a hard time making me believe that a 3 year old dog that has always hunted hard and treed hard all by himself all of a sudden stops, and then is diagnosed with tick disease? I don't think that's a coincidence.

Posted by blue blue on 02-01-2017 02:25 PM:

Msinc

I've had 4 with Ehrlichia in a year none have started babbling or running trash but it will for absolutely sure cause some to start slick treeing. Some of mine went from very accurate to just going out there and falling treed on bushes. After treatment most are back to normal. Believe me if u have enough dogs get it you will see what we are talking about. Now I'm not saying some don't use this for an excuse for there dogs but it does happen.

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Posted by dpetty on 02-01-2017 03:02 PM:

I lost my best dog to Erlichia last year. It was a tough day when I had to put him down.

Posted by ahallada on 02-02-2017 03:12 AM:

Re: Msinc

quote:
Originally posted by blue blue
I've had 4 with Ehrlichia in a year none have started babbling or running trash but it will for absolutely sure cause some to start slick treeing. Some of mine went from very accurate to just going out there and falling treed on bushes. After treatment most are back to normal. Believe me if u have enough dogs get it you will see what we are talking about. Now I'm not saying some don't use this for an excuse for there dogs but it does happen.

I really think all those so called hypothyroid dogs everyone is talking about slick treeing is from tick born disease like this. Ehrilichia will definitely cause suppression of the thyroid hormone production. A lot of the old time vets don't know how to properly diagnose hypothyroidism so a lot of these dogs are really euthyroid sick syndrome cases and not primary hypothyroidism.

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Posted by Sonny Phipps on 02-02-2017 11:57 AM:

What are the treatments used for euthyroid sick syndrome?

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Posted by blue blue on 02-02-2017 02:22 PM:

Doc

I took your advice and sent blood to idexx labs.

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