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Posted by Richard Edinger on 07-08-2021 06:09 PM:

Reproducers

The UKC WORLD HUNT winners listed on the historical page which ones became dominant reproducers. Male, female, any breed.

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Posted by wart on 07-08-2021 06:29 PM:

Dogs

I've been coon hunting off and on since 1978 and never seen a real dominate reproducer in any breed in males only females and certain crosses 90 percent of the dogs I've owned and hunted with were common to average dogs and I've hunted with some well known dogs. A wise old man told me 30 years ago coonhunting is 95 percent b.s and about 5 percent real dog power and he lives not far from you in Kansas and is well k own in the treeing walker breed as one of the better hunters around the neosho river

Posted by Richard Edinger on 07-08-2021 07:08 PM:

I can believe that.

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Posted by wart on 07-08-2021 07:19 PM:

Dogs

The most dominant traits are just getting average dogs in any breed pretty much I hear fairytales all the time about ole so and so

Posted by N Williams on 07-10-2021 02:59 AM:

Reproducer

There never has been or will be a reproducer that produced Big Hunt winners the way Z3 did.

Posted by honalieh on 07-10-2021 06:55 AM:

Re: Reproducers

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Edinger
The UKC WORLD HUNT winners listed on the historical page which ones became dominant reproducers. Male, female, any breed.

I will name one---Smith's Hillbilly Mac.

In my territory, I know of 5 people that bred to him (Bob Dennison, Bill Davis, Charlie Miller, Lorrie Knight, Kermit Rogers). All got outstanding results. A large part of it probably relates to the fact that their style worked well in our terrain. That is a major factor.

Over the last 45+ years, I can say that a very large majority of the best that I've owned and hunted with had World Class backgrounds. I'd rather see some World Class hounds in a pedigree than a whole pedigree full of local level Nite Ch.'s and Gr. Nite Ch.'s. That's based on my personal experiences.

Posted by chuck west on 07-10-2021 01:28 PM:

Re: Re: Reproducers

quote:
Originally posted by honalieh
I will name one---Smith's Hillbilly Mac.

In my territory, I know of 5 people that bred to him (Bob Dennison, Bill Davis, Charlie Miller, Lorrie Knight, Kermit Rogers). All got outstanding results. A large part of it probably relates to the fact that their style worked well in our terrain. That is a major factor.

Over the last 45+ years, I can say that a very large majority of the best that I've owned and hunted with had World Class backgrounds. I'd rather see some World Class hounds in a pedigree than a whole pedigree full of local level Nite Ch.'s and Gr. Nite Ch.'s. That's based on my personal experiences.

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Posted by chuck west on 07-10-2021 01:31 PM:

Mac

I will second what this gentleman just said !!

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Posted by Richard Edinger on 07-11-2021 01:22 AM:

Thanks for the replys

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Posted by mike shannon on 07-14-2021 09:53 AM:

Hillbilly Mac

I linebreed heavily on Worldnite Champion Smiths Hillbilly Mac...

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Posted by chuck west on 07-14-2021 12:04 PM:

Re: Hillbilly Mac

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Originally posted by mike shannon
I linebreed heavily on Worldnite Champion Smiths Hillbilly Mac...

And fine dogs they are my friend !

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Posted by Richard Edinger on 07-15-2021 12:38 AM:

If Zeb 3 and Mac had never been in a hunt, but you had personally hunted with said dogs would they still be in program

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Posted by mike shannon on 07-15-2021 12:40 PM:

Re: Re: Hillbilly Mac

quote:
Originally posted by chuck west
And fine dogs they are my friend !

Thank you Chuck

Posted by Travis Brown on 07-15-2021 04:41 PM:

One that is still alive and can be used right now, Gray's Rackem Willy.

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Posted by JDMiller on 07-17-2021 01:38 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Travis Brown
One that is still alive and can be used right now, Gray's Rackem Willy.

not to mention he puts looks,hunt,brains, and natural availability in his pups. I’m sold. definitely repeating the WillyxSally cross.

Posted by honalieh on 07-18-2021 09:20 AM:

Program?

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Edinger
If Zeb 3 and Mac had never been in a hunt, but you had personally hunted with said dogs would they still be in program

I say "BEWARE OF ANYONE THAT HAS A PROGRAM". That usually is a marketing hype tool!!! Coonhunters coonhunt. Marketers have programs.

In the past 45+ years, two dogs standout as reproducers; Hardtime Speck and Hillbilly Mac. Tighter mouthed, STRAIGT, get treed, have the meat. With that blood fading away, I'm looking at Black and Tans and the Whitaker's Smokey blood. I like what I see from this better than anything since Speck and Mac. The Whitakers Smokey III dog that I recently got reminds me of the Speck and Mac dogs, with a different hide color.

My first Gr. Nite Ch. was never in a hunt, and never registered, until I got him. But, he was known by the local furbuyers.

Whether it's coonhunting, or anything else, put more trust in what you SEE than what you hear or read!!!

We need to focus on the type and ABILITY of hounds that we enjoy hunting. Impressing others + 1.00 will get you a McDonald's coffee. Focus on what you like! If others don't like the same thing, or don't care, so be it!!!!

Posted by Kler Kry on 07-18-2021 05:22 PM:

Re: Program?

quote:
Originally posted by honalieh
I say "BEWARE OF ANYONE THAT HAS A PROGRAM". That usually is a marketing hype tool!!! Coonhunters coonhunt. Marketers have programs.

In the past 45+ years, two dogs standout as reproducers; Hardtime Speck and Hillbilly Mac. Tighter mouthed, STRAIGT, get treed, have the meat. With that blood fading away, I'm looking at Black and Tans and the Whitaker's Smokey blood. I like what I see from this better than anything since Speck and Mac. The Whitakers Smokey III dog that I recently got reminds me of the Speck and Mac dogs, with a different hide color.

My first Gr. Nite Ch. was never in a hunt, and never registered, until I got him. But, he was known by the local furbuyers.

Whether it's coonhunting, or anything else, put more trust in what you SEE than what you hear or read!!!

We need to focus on the type and ABILITY of hounds that we enjoy hunting. Impressing others + 1.00 will get you a McDonald's coffee. Focus on what you like! If others don't like the same thing, or don't care, so be it!!!!

"Whether its coonhunting or anything else, put more trust in what you SEE than what you hear or read".

This is advise that you shouldn't ignore if you are serious about upgrading the ability level of what you are hunting.
I was fortunate to be able to hunt with alot of the LEGENDs that people brag about as being superior dogs of the past and are trying to reproduce. Most were just nice dogs that had a SUPERIOR promoter trying to make money off of them. Ken Risley

Posted by Richard Edinger on 07-18-2021 11:44 PM:

Honalieh

I agree with your last paragraph completely.

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