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My twist on the ALL GRAND PEDIGREE. No Show discussions allowed. lol

Everyone that competition hunts is working towards putting titles on thier dogs. Earning the title of Grand Nite Champion demonstrates one reaching their goal with their hounds. No argument that some do it totally honest with a coondog and others do it with less a dog by pushing the envelope. None the less they are driven to reach their goals and being successful on paper.
These people have pedigrees that look like this:

*******************Gr. Nt. Ch. Hard Knockin Stylish Hayes
***************Gr. Nt. Ch. Ball's Stylish Hickory Nut Harry
*******************Gr. Nt. Ch. Fletchers Stylish Anna
*****Gr. Nt. Ch. Tina Turner
*******************Gr. Nt. Billy Jack's Lightning
***************Gr. Nt. Ch. Crooked Creek Misty
*******************Gr. Nt. Ch. Lone Pine Bonnie

They then breed to Grand Nite Champions and continue reaching there goals and the line of Grand Nights continue.
I don't think anyone should be knocked for reaching their goals.

The pedigrees of the dogs owned by people knocking the ALL GRAND PEDIGREES look like this:

*******************Gr. Nt. Ch. Hard Knockin Stylish Hayes
***************Gr. Nt. Ch. Ball's Stylish Hickory Nut Harry
*******************Gr. Nt. Ch. Fletchers Stylish Anna
***** "PR" John's Singing Molley
*******************Gr. Nt. Billy Joe's Dan
*************** Nt. Ch. John's June
*******************Gr. Nt. Ch. Lone Pine Sally

Its obvious some are pushing and reaching their goals and some are like John. Taking a pedigree back to just a PR status.
I really don't think thats Johns goal, especially when I see him at the hunts. Since John can't reach his goal, I don't pay much attention to him when he knocks someone else for reaching theirs.

Look at the pedigrees of your hounds. Are you headed to All Grand or back to "PR".

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Boss Lights
San Mateo, Fl

Well Said

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chicken chit the dog i was talking about was a
silver dollar dog he is all grand and are buddy
has a all grand out of cutter if you remember
the cutter pups sold for around 900 at ao a
couple yrs ago i guess that is why people want
them $$$$$$

Is this kinda like "Making Sugar Out Of Crap"? LOL

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I would love to show dogs but my belly keeps knocking them off the bench.

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Boss Lights
San Mateo, Fl

yall can have your all grand ped ive culled more then iv keep ill take a good old fashion COON DOG with no papers before i buy another all grand

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Originally posted by Bruce Conkey
I would love to show dogs but my belly keeps knocking them off the bench.

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• "NGRCH GRCH Bolt Action Mundar Rick DNA-VIP"2005 National Grand Show Champion

I have nothing against all grand pedigree dogs. I think its great that some fella's like Abbott and others have gotten where they are. My problem is breeding to a dog just because it is all grand or a grand nite. Some guys have dogs that will tree coon that other dogs dont even know are in the woods yet these dogs will never be competition hunted. Some guys put family before coonhunting and while they may hunt during the week, when the weekend hits they are doing family things. Some guys dont care for hunts at all. Does that make these dogs any less of a coonhound? I personaly prefer to put $20 worth of gas in my truck and make 5-6 turn outs rather than put $30 in the truck pay a $15 dollar entry fee drive an hour away and get to hunt for only 2 hours. Like I said I have nothing against hunts, and nothing against All Grand dogs but please dont knock a 'pr' bred dog. I will gladly hunt my 'pr' bred dogs against any hound out there. And when my kids are grown up and I have the extra money I will hunt the hunts regular again.

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Originally posted by terry willford
I have nothing against all grand pedigree dogs. I think its great that some fella's like Abbott and others have gotten where they are. My problem is breeding to a dog just because it is all grand or a grand nite. Some guys have dogs that will tree coon that other dogs dont even know are in the woods yet these dogs will never be competition hunted. Some guys put family before coonhunting and while they may hunt during the week, when the weekend hits they are doing family things. Some guys dont care for hunts at all. Does that make these dogs any less of a coonhound? I personaly prefer to put $20 worth of gas in my truck and make 5-6 turn outs rather than put $30 in the truck pay a $15 dollar entry fee drive an hour away and get to hunt for only 2 hours. Like I said I have nothing against hunts, and nothing against All Grand dogs but please dont knock a 'pr' bred dog. I will gladly hunt my 'pr' bred dogs against any hound out there. And when my kids are grown up and I have the extra money I will hunt the hunts regular again.

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SAVE THE COON, HUNT WITH A HOUND!

Hmmmm

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Originally posted by Bolt Action
Hey Bruce,
You just need to get you a long legged hound. That way your belly will fit. LOL

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I would rather get a swayed back hound and a big busted handler.

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"The Proof is in the Pudding"

"Coon Eyes Matter"
Boss Lights
San Mateo, Fl

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Originally posted by Bruce Conkey
I would rather get a swayed back hound and a big busted handler.

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All Grand pups are fine but you have to do your homework just like anything else. People that dont like all grand always say "I want a all coondog ped not an all grand." You can have both. There is all grand studs and females thar reproduce you just have to find them.

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Originally posted by fullhouse
All Grand pups are fine but you have to do your homework just like anything else. People that dont like all grand always say "I want a all coondog ped not an all grand." You can have both. There is all grand studs and females thar reproduce you just have to find them.

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Originally posted by Bruce Conkey
I would rather get a swayed back hound and a big busted handler.

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GR. CH."PR"DEADLY PETEY UKC 1st. place( SIRE=Gr.Nt.Ch.Ch.PR Mc's Deadly Hitman / Dam=Ch.Nt.Ch.PR Beard's Stylish Magic) (Gone but Not Forgotten)

GR.NT.CH PR Spades Nite Heat Sky (Gone But Not Forgotten)

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Originally posted by Bruce Conkey
I would rather get a swayed back hound and a big busted handler.

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Originally posted by Bruce Conkey
I would rather get a swayed back hound and a big busted handler.

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Bruce,

The Pedigree on my Hound looks like this,




Sire Not UKC Registered
Log Woods Chester
Dam Not UKC Registered

No PR, NO Title, No Hunts, a Set of yellow papers he earned by treeing a Coon, Blood stains on his Collar, Scars, torn up ears, and worn down feet.
Memories, of good hunts, bad ones, and close calls that im glad we both survived.
Hope for many more good hunts, but a realization, that my dream hound is ageing.
I dread the day he will be old and pass away.
But in my eyes, a Champion, and an achieved goal.
Just typed that, to show that not everyone, has the same goal, and everyone is an individual.

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