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Define a Fair Chance.

Everybody wants pups they raise to get a fair chance to make a hound. Give me your defination of a fair chance?

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"Fair Chance"

Raise the pup giving it proper attention, shots, food, clean water & kennel space.

Teach the pup to lead, mind & handle.

Hunt the pup when it's ready 3 to 4 nights a week.

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some one who will hunt the dog. and give it a fair chance. not someone who buys a pup leaves it on a chane for a year. then takes it out a few times and says its a cull. and bad mouths your breading program. or just out rite does nothing with it.

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Originally posted by justin tumbleso
Hunt the pup when it's ready 3 to 4 nights a week.

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Allot of "culls" go on to make good dogs. When it comes to what age you start them, every dog is different. Some may not start until they're two. For me, if I've hunted them allot and they're over 2 years old and still not getting it...they're simply not going to. Some may say a year, but I think even an 18 month old dog that hasn't shown you anything can still turn it on...every dog matures differently.

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After 20 nights in the woods I know if I want to continue. In some cases I know in 10 nights. Now none of this means a dog I have hunted 20 nites and quit on is worthless, it doesn't nessessarily mean it is a cull. I just means I have come to the conclusion that it isn't a pup I want to put anymore into. If I hunt a pup 20 nites and ain't fired up about it, I'm not gonna be able to make myself pack it around anymore.

Jim I am a lot like you but I am a little closer to 30 or 40 hunts.

Everyone has an idea of what enough is and everyone has a different level of patience. I like seeing what different folks consider reasonable.

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When you start leaving them home and taking something else every nite , it is time to let someone else try their hand.

On a daily basis, making the best call for the dog and not yourself. From animal husbandry, to training, to maintaining, to euthanasia and everywhere in between. Making the best call for them every step of the way. You ask allot from them but just how much are you prepared to give in return? If everyone did that, there'd be allot less jockeys and peddlers which in turn would be much more beneficial to the breeds.

I'll let a pup (3 to 6 months) out to run a few minutes while cleaning pens. Show them a little affection now and then. Haul them around a half dozen times before taking them hunting. I'll put them on a chain for a couple weeks and lead them some. Around 6 months old I'll take them hunting. I never put a pup on a lead when getting a coon out and I try to have no bite in the first few coon. Tease the pup on the first few coon. I try to hunt a pup with an older dog that likes company and only one pup at a time. I really like the pups that take off with the old dogs and go the diatance after two or three nights of hunting. They need to jump right in the middle of a coon on the second one. I can wait on treeing and tracking. If they show no interest on coon after showing them two or three put them back in the pen for a couple months. Put them up for a while if they don't go hunting after getting in on a half dozen coon. It's great if you have a couple cats that hang out around the dog pen. That little bit of teasing will get a pup fired up.

If a pup shows no interest in going hunting or fighting a coon after seeing five or six they need to be looking for a new home.
If a pup isn't treeing good on a hang up going the distance everytime and treeing on good tracks by 8 months old they need a better trainer than me.

The pup that I keep for myself will go the distance before I hunt them three or four nights, will tree on the second hang up, if not the first and get real agressive on live coon. I have had success making these type pups turn into coondogs. I have had very few pen raised pups that ran and treed the first night in the woods.

Do not hunt a pup with an old dig that is agressive anywhere.

Re: Define a Fair Chance.

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Originally posted by Briar
Give me your defination of a fair chance?

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20-40 nights hunting in what amount of time? Are you talking about 3-4 nights per week until he's been out a total of 20-40 nights? At what age do you start this 20-40 nights of hunting?

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Originally posted by perry co cooner
20-40 nights hunting in what amount of time? Are you talking about 3-4 nights per week until he's been out a total of 20-40 nights? At what age do you start this 20-40 nights of hunting?

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A Healthy Walker Puppy!!!!That's a fair chance

Definately will not start a pup in the dead of winter. No matter what age. I like to start pups in the middle of spring. If you start a pup in the spring, and hunt them 2-4 nights a week till the corn is ripe, if the dog has it in them it wil usually make a good one!

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i didnt really atart hunting my walker untill he was over a year old bc i couldn drive untill then.
then bout once or twice a week usually all summer and during deer season i only hunted him once or twice a month, (sorry) but i had him out one day while i was sighting in my 22, BAM! he went to treeing, knocked out that one and hes treed another one that i knocked out. i believe hes clicked a little into being a coonhunting idiot.

but there for 6 months he wouldnt hardly get out from under my feet, slowly he left, we got him to tree on scent finally, and he just started workin.

but the first time i showed him a coon after 10 minutes he was givin it all kinds of grief, and every coon since that one he hits the cage rasing hell. he trees turnouts, he barrels into a fight without giving it a second thought.

im proud of my dog, but hes my first, so i spent a lotta time on him. probably more than i should have. dad wrote him off as a failure long ago but now has realized the dog may make it after all.

(idk if this has helped at all or not.)

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Originally posted by vincentk
Briar,

If your new plot pup don't make a coondog you can give him to me. I will give him a fair chance...... on coyote!!!! I hear plots can sometimes run them, not real good though, about the same as they run a coon.

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