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Posted by Brian Gray on 01-03-2023 04:21 PM:

Question

If you don’t know ask, so here we go. If a person was to take a youngster hunting with them and that youngster got seriously hurt while hunting with you who would be responsible for the persons injury lets just say there is no insurance involved.


Posted by MOcoondogs on 01-03-2023 07:07 PM:

I have been told by my insurance company and my lawyer that the land owner(if it happens while out on the hunt), the operator of the vehicle( if it involves a vehicle), the party who has accepted responsibility for the minor, or the minor's parents can be held responsible. Anybody can sue anybody for anything. The lawyer would probably go after the deepest pockets with the best insurance. If there is no insurance, they would probably go after the person they could put the most liability on. I'm sure this varies from state to state and with each situation. I have been told that it depends a lot on the judge as well.


Posted by Reuben on 01-03-2023 07:47 PM:

Hopefully no one will file a lawsuit…I am sure this is a good reason why many land owners won’t give permission…

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Posted by Brian Gray on 01-03-2023 07:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MOcoondogs
I have been told by my insurance company and my lawyer that the land owner(if it happens while out on the hunt), the operator of the vehicle( if it involves a vehicle), the party who has accepted responsibility for the minor, or the minor's parents can be held responsible. Anybody can sue anybody for anything. The lawyer would probably go after the deepest pockets with the best insurance. If there is no insurance, they would probably go after the person they could put the most liability on. I'm sure this varies from state to state and with each situation. I have been told that it depends a lot on the judge as well.


Just for discussion sake it would be questionable if a person would want to risk this wouldn’t it?


Posted by MOcoondogs on 01-03-2023 08:47 PM:

I try to make sure I know who I'm taking hunting and the parents. I try to always be safe. These are the things I can do. Everything else I turn over to God and pray continually that he leads me to the right decisions. I try to make sure my heart is in the right place to glorify Him and not myself when I am taking a new hunter or anytime I go hunting.


Posted by Robert Johnson on 01-05-2023 12:07 PM:

It depends more on the political landscape of the state than the incident. In Democratic states, if the person who took the minor out was a second amendment user, he would be crucified by whatever means possible. If in the Republican states, its likely they could not agree on how to pursue it, and the youngster will probably be an old person before the thing could be settled.

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Posted by Lance Laymon on 01-05-2023 07:30 PM:

Indiana has an agri tourism law that takes liability away from the land owner.


Posted by houndsound on 01-06-2023 12:19 AM:

There is never an automatic situation where someone is liable for another's injuries... a landowner, hunting guide, hunting buddy, whoever..... would have to intentionally try to hurt someone, or create a risk / hazard through negligence. And even at that.. it's not some automatic situation... someone has to sue the person and convince a judge of the persons fault. This of course assuming it's not a criminal act.

The idea that "everyone is getting sued all the time" is a myth. It has made people (like landowners) too nervous when they shouldn't be.

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Posted by Black Ash Bawl on 01-06-2023 03:12 AM:

wisconsin

landowners are not liable if land is used for recreation in wisconsin. State Law.

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Posted by Reuben on 01-06-2023 05:54 AM:

Re: wisconsin

quote:
Originally posted by Black Ash Bawl
landowners are not liable if land is used for recreation in wisconsin. State Law.


Wisconsin recreational law protecting land owners from lawsuits is a sensible law…

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Posted by Brian Gray on 01-06-2023 01:10 PM:

Re: wisconsin

quote:
Originally posted by Black Ash Bawl
landowners are not liable if land is used for recreation in wisconsin. State Law.


So in your state being the land owner is not responsable who would be?


Posted by houndsound on 01-06-2023 02:48 PM:

There are really bounteous variables to determine who is liable. Your question is probably way to vague to answer. Is there a specific incident you are asking about?

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Posted by Dave Richards on 01-07-2023 12:32 AM:

Brian

Sadly, these questions pose the problems one has to consider while being a helpful person in taking a minor hunting. While the risks may be small there are definite risks, such as accidents in the woods or automobiles. If you want to be a mentor to a minor hunting or otherwise, it would be a very good ideal to have a hold harmless agreement between you and the parent/s or guardian of the minor. Such a agreement would absolve you of accidents to the minor, but would still hold you liable for gross misconduct or intentional injuries. I always give the landowners that I hunt on a hold harmless for permission to hunt on their land. Hold harmless agreements absolve one of liability for accidents, but NOT for intentional or gross misconduct of a individual. Dave

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Posted by Dave Richards on 01-07-2023 12:32 AM:

Brian

Sorry, double post. Dave

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Posted by Eric Bierman on 01-07-2023 03:09 AM:

Brian, you are responsible for yourself if you get hurt on someone else’s property, regardless of whether you have permission to be there or not. The only way a landowner is responsible is if they “set a trap” for whomever is coming on their land. For instance, you have a state funded snowmobile trail across your land. For whatever reason you get upset about it being there and decide to do something about it. You the landowner or an agent for yours strings a wire, rope or something across the marked trail. Someone gets hurt or worse, now you the landowner is liable.


Posted by Black Ash Bawl on 01-07-2023 08:11 AM:

wisconsin

Answer: Under sec. 895.52 of the Wisconsin Statutes, landowners are generally immune from liability for injuries received by individuals recreating on their lands. This law provides liability protection to landowners for injury or death of individuals participating in outdoor recreation on their land. This includes activities such as fishing, hunting, trapping, hiking, camping, boating and berry-picking. This immunity does not apply when the landowner receives more than $2,000 a year in income from the recreation activity or when the landowner acted maliciously with an intent to harm the person recreating. There also is an exception for social guests invited specifically for an occasion on residential or platted property or property within 300 feet of a commercial building or structure. Courts have consistently interpreted this statute to protect landowners in furtherance of its purpose, which is to encourage landowners to allow others to recreate on their lands. This statute applies to the landowners of Managed Forest Law (MFL) lands as well.

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