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Caged coons....how much is too much

What's the biggest teacher for a learning pup? Caged coons? Older dogs? Hunting alone? Just wonder what y'all think. I know everyone has their own tricks, what's yours??

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There are no tricks, you have to have natural talent. Cages, pup trainers, killing coon are all a waist if time in most cases. After a Coonhunter raises a natural raw talented pup he stops all those methods. Also a natural should be able to tree 30, 50 coon without ever seeing our knowing what a raccoon is. Any breed can produce naturals, these type pups make hunting so much more fun. There's been endless amounts of raccoons die due to improper training where the hunter thinks killing coon well help their pup tree better. All that produces is waisted meat.
The very best teacher for a pup is building confidence, those pups need attention' The second is proper genetics or vise versa. Good enough genetics and just haul them to the woods alone and they will teach themselves. Happy Huntin

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All the things you listed are good training methods but must be done in the proper order and moderation. Pups are like kids, you have to send them to school and allow them time to graduate from one grade to the next.
Elementary School...letting the pup mature through play time and exploration learning the basics of handling and hauling.
Middle School...Being shown what prey to track and tree (caged coon). Being taken to the woods with a training partner to understand the proper way to handle problems with an older or tricky track. This level is where most pups are ruined.
High School...Taking the pup by itself so it can build confidence in the abilities that it has learned and rewarding it for those efforts. Don't over reward but give just enough that it keeps a strong drive to do the job and do it accurately. This level is when you can introduce the pup to some new friends and see if it is a going to do what is right or if it is going to fall to peer pressure.
College...This is when the pup has shown it can and will continue to do the jog correctly without much or any help at all. Singled out and worked harder with a little more pressure to cap off all of its abilities so it will be able to produce in the competition level.

Let's face it, all pups are not naturals and need some help to bring out those bred in abilities. They need to be polished and corrected before heading out into the real world. This is the same basic principles that we teach our kids so they can be productive members of society. Some graduate high school and never make it college and are just average. Some graduate college and are a little above average. Every once in a while you get that one that skips grades and becomes a super natural. The main thing in all of this is the teacher (handler/trainer) has to be able to teach this pup or it will never reach its full potential. Have patients with the pup. Before you start training a pup you have to decide if you want the finished product to work in fast food for a living or be a doctor after all is said an done. Being able to see that a pup has reached its limit will also save time and effort because we all know they can't all be doctors.

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Brian Teague 252-649-3050

i never had one at three months old running and treeing its own coon ..always had to help them along..i have to agree some are a waste of time its just when do u give up and start over lol

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Originally posted by Lee Stocking
There are no tricks, you have to have natural talent. Cages, pup trainers, killing coon are all a waist if time in most cases. After a Coonhunter raises a natural raw talented pup he stops all those methods. Also a natural should be able to tree 30, 50 coon without ever seeing our knowing what a raccoon is. Any breed can produce naturals, these type pups make hunting so much more fun. There's been endless amounts of raccoons die due to improper training where the hunter thinks killing coon well help their pup tree better. All that produces is waisted meat.
The very best teacher for a pup is building confidence, those pups need attention' The second is proper genetics or vise versa. Good enough genetics and just haul them to the woods alone and they will teach themselves. Happy Huntin

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I appreciate that guys! Everyone has different ways of looking at things but nccoonhunter has it down, I believe. I wish I had a "natural" but that's just not the case right now! Maybe ill start raisin my boys like a coondog?! They could probably use a whoopin or two!

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Originally posted by Lee Stocking
There are no tricks, you have to have natural talent. Cages, pup trainers, killing coon are all a waist if time in most cases. After a Coonhunter raises a natural raw talented pup he stops all those methods. Also a natural should be able to tree 30, 50 coon without ever seeing our knowing what a raccoon is. Any breed can produce naturals, these type pups make hunting so much more fun. There's been endless amounts of raccoons die due to improper training where the hunter thinks killing coon well help their pup tree better. All that produces is waisted meat.
The very best teacher for a pup is building confidence, those pups need attention' The second is proper genetics or vise versa. Good enough genetics and just haul them to the woods alone and they will teach themselves. Happy Huntin

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Caged coon are great ,because if done right the dog don't really know and if you do the legwork you can control and ensure your pup is getting worked.

You also don't have to wear out your honey holes and time with a young dog until and unless they are ready and you like em' .

All the negative people list about caged coon reflects on the person doing it .. don't use the cage and then gripe about how you are doing it ... it's like a carpenter griping about a hammer smashing his finger or blaming a car for stopping to hard .

If you have alot of hunting places , alot of coon and don't mind running down young dogs that are trashing .... then I guess you can skip the caged coon and have at it ...every training program has to be molded around your situation.

And then when things work out right .. like Lee said ... you get a natural and the dog didn't even need you anyway , lol.

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Originally posted by Lee Stocking
There are no tricks, you have to have natural talent. Cages, pup trainers, killing coon are all a waist if time in most cases. After a Coonhunter raises a natural raw talented pup he stops all those methods. Also a natural should be able to tree 30, 50 coon without ever seeing our knowing what a raccoon is. Any breed can produce naturals, these type pups make hunting so much more fun. There's been endless amounts of raccoons die due to improper training where the hunter thinks killing coon well help their pup tree better. All that produces is waisted meat.
The very best teacher for a pup is building confidence, those pups need attention' The second is proper genetics or vise versa. Good enough genetics and just haul them to the woods alone and they will teach themselves. Happy Huntin

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I have raised fewer pups with that "natural" talent then the ones with an ability to learn and become good dogs and a few became great ones. What do you guys do with the ones that are not "naturals"? Cull them? Given a chance and a little extra time a lot of the pups people give up on become good dogs. Not saying a natural doesn't make it easier to train but I have more satisfaction getting the "slow" ones to come out of their shells and become nice solid coondogs. I am picky but if I see potential in a pup then I give them a little more time. Granted, they all don't make it but I use every avenue of training that I have available. Caged coon, sent drags, old dogs, or knocking a few out to stoke the fire.

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Brian Teague 252-649-3050

Re: Caged coons....how much is too much

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Originally posted by WhistlinDixie
What's the biggest teacher for a learning pup? Caged coons? Older dogs? Hunting alone? Just wonder what y'all think. I know everyone has their own tricks, what's yours??

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That's exactly right! I like to build the dogs confidence an watch it be proud, that makes the hunter proud! That in itself does a lot of braggin. Dogs mature and catch on at different ages. May be 5 mos, may be 13 mos. it's like turning a light switch on when it clicks. It's rewarding!

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A natural dog is always good but that doesn't mean it doesn't still require training , I'd show them 10 coons in a cage , let them tree 5 right out of the cage and then the other let them go and get a 1 hour start . But just because you don't have a natural dog doesn't mean it's not going to be good ? I mean you have coon dogs and then you have COON dogs . I seem a dog not see a coon to it was 3 and then pick up from older dogs and became one of the best dogs I've seen . Older dog is the best trick I think ! Not only will a older dog teach your pup it will also teach you !!!! Your first dog makes you or breaks you ! So make that pup become something . Spend all the time you can and work with it

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mr.stocking is telling you the truth.

NOT ALL YOUNG DOGS ARE ALIKE SOME START EARLYER THAN OTHERS,U NEED TO BE PATIENT WITH THEM,I HAVE A YOUNG FEMALE AROUND A YR OL AND I STARTED HUNTING AROUND 9 MONTHS OLD,SHE DID NOT CARE FOR A COON FROM THE START I WOULD SHOOT THEM OUT AND SHE WOULD NOT EVEN LOOK AT THEM.SAME WITH CAGE COONS UNTIL I STARTED PUTTING MY OLDER FEMALE OUT ON THE COON IN THE CAGE TO GET HER GOING NOW SHE HAS FIRED UP ON THE CAGE COON AND GET PLUM BUGEYED ON THEM NOW.IN MY OPENION SHE JUST NEEDS A LITTLE MORE TIME IN THE WOODS.
GOOD LUCK WITH UR YOUNG DOG....
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF ALL OF THEM WERE NATURALS BUT THEY ARE NOT, SO WE DON'T NEED TO EXPECT THEM TO BE.
NATURAL BORN COONDOGS IS LIKE LOOKING FOR A NEEDLE IN A HAY STACK.JMO
I HAVE A 2YR OLD FEMALE THAT I PRETTY MUCH ALL NATURAL BUT I HAVE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF YOUNG DOGS TO GET HER.

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