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Posted by John Wittenborn on 09-05-2007 06:51 AM:

Treating a dog that has Heartworms????

It might of been in a past thread, but has anyone ever treated their own dog that has Heartworms? The reason I ask, is there are 2 boy's at school, that have a 7 yr. old black Lab, that the vet told them that it has Heartworms. They said that they can not afford to have it treated by a Vet. & was wondering if I have ever treated one of my dog's that had Heartworms & I said that I had not.

If anyone has ever treated their own dog successfully, would you please tell me what you used, how much in a dose, how many day's in a row, how long you have to lay the dog up & any other information necessary to treating a dog at home without the use of a Vet.?

I use Ivermectin, given under the skin for my 3 dog's.

Thanks

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Posted by GA DAWG on 09-05-2007 09:58 PM:

Ive heard of it being done a few times.... You give em ivomec and it takes about 6 months is all I know.... I'll check around and try to get some more info.

Posted by John Wittenborn on 09-05-2007 11:49 PM:

Thanks, Ga Dawg.

These 2 twin boy's are helping a neighbor milk about 70-75 milk cows every morning & evening, to try & help the family make ends meet. They are outstanding boy's, & they Duck hunt around their neighborhood on farm ponds. This is where they are using their Lab, to retrieve ducks off of ponds. When they get to go hunt on a big lake or one of the strip pits, you would think that they just won a couple of tickets to the Super Bowl.

They like to go coon hunting also, & when I go down that way to hunt, I will swing by & pick them up. They have their gunny sacks to carry the coon out, & I let them have all of the coon hides, for some pocket money.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks again.

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Posted by Tiffany Ealy on 09-06-2007 12:46 AM:

I will ask around. our one dog had heartworms but we took him to a vet he got a couple of shoots and now he takes baby asprin everyday it really helps him out.
tiffany

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Posted by GA DAWG on 09-06-2007 06:00 AM:

I hunt with a guy thats done it before with ivomec. Vet told him how..He didnt hunt with me tonight but I'll call him tomorrow and let you know...

Posted by Len Machen on 09-06-2007 06:05 AM:

treating heartworms

I have the answer that you are looking for. A fellow member of our club, named, Alvin Tarver, that lives in Crowville, La has done this twice. In fact , I talked to Alvin yesterday as I have bought a 7 y/o with heartworms to train pups with . He is an excellent hound with even better breeding , I only wish i could have gotten my hands on this hound before the man I bought him from did. The treatment is Tramazol ( a sheep wormer ) 1 pill 2 times a day for nine days.Before you start the treatment give the dog Tetracycline 500 mg twice a day for 2 days and cont this throughout the treatment. However some dogs may not can stand this aggressive of a treatment, so I have decided to do 1 pill a day for 18 days as my hound was SEVERELY malnourished for several years and i suspect less than good Liver and renal function. You can buy Tramazol at any vet supply over the counter and they may even have the generic, just ask for the sheep wormer. DO NOT HUNT THE DOG AT ALL DURING TREATMENT!! Also as with any heartworm treatment, your dog will be able to tolerate it better with cooler temps. Alvins phone number is 318-722-6158.

Posted by engman99 on 09-07-2007 01:58 AM:

I read an article by Emett Brohard one time.He said to use Levasol,which is a sheep wormer,so I would say Len is on the right track.
I have also heard that you could cure them with Ivomec.

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Posted by Mike Donaldson on 09-07-2007 03:33 AM:

I believe Levasol and Tramisol are the same drug. They are used on all ruminents, cattle, sheep and goats.
My vets tell me the effectivness of home treatment depends on the severity of infestation.

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Posted by John Wittenborn on 09-07-2007 04:26 AM:

I want to THANK EVERYONE,

for your input, it's all very much appreciated. I talked to them today, just before school was out, & they talked like they were going to go the sheep wormer route. Which ever way that they decide to go, I hope it works out for them, they are a couple of GOOD BOYS.

Again, THANKS EVERYONE.

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Posted by BRYAN J on 09-07-2007 04:28 AM:

I know a very well known vet and he said that ivermec will kill the babbies but not the adult heart worms! Just what I was told. The adult is what needs stopped first!

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Posted by Mike Donaldson on 09-07-2007 12:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BRYAN J
I know a very well known vet and he said that ivermec will kill the babbies but not the adult heart worms! Just what I was told. The adult is what needs stopped first!

This is correct. The adults have a lifespan of about 18 months. I believe what happens is Ivermectin prevents any more adults and the ones already there die off. The problem with any of the home remedies is the rate of die off is unpredictable. If there are a lot of adults heartworms a rapid kill can clog the pulminary artery and kill the dog. I'm not sure about the home remedies, but with the vet treatment the dogs must be confined to very small quarters (like a pet carrier) for 4 weeks to help prevent this.

Posted by jackbob42 on 09-07-2007 03:21 PM:

Tramisol/Levisol , same thing. Sheep wormer.
Does NOT kill adults , but sterilizes them ( no more babies )
Adults die off gradually. When treated at Vets with stricknine (sp?) , kills them RIGHT NOW ! Alot rougher on dog with a better chance of clogging an artery and dog dieing.
One pill a day for 2 weeks , wait a week , then repeat. DO NOT HUNT THE DOG WHILE TREATING.

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Posted by Mike Donaldson on 09-07-2007 08:05 PM:

A lot of good info at the site below, especially under the treatment section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartworm

Posted by BRYAN J on 09-08-2007 12:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by MBD
A lot of good info at the site below, especially under the treatment section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartworm

I know lots of reading but good!
[edit] Treatment
If either a blood test or the onset of symptoms betray the presence of heartworms, treatment is indicated. Treatment is highly efficacious if the disease is diagnosed early in the disease process. Before the worms can be treated, however, the dog must be evaluated for good heart, liver, and kidney function to ensure the animal can survive the treatment. Any insufficiencies in these organs must be dealt with first, before treatment, as the eradication process can be taxing on organ function. Usually the adult worms are killed with an arsenic-based compound. The currently recommended compound, melarsomine dihydrochloride, is marketed under the brand name Immiticide. It has a greater efficacy and fewer side effects than previous formulation (thiacetarsamide sodium, sold as Caparsolate) which makes it a safer alternative for dogs with late-stage infestations.

After treatment, the dog must rest (restricted exercise) for several weeks so as to give its body sufficient time to absorb the dead worms without ill effect. Otherwise, when the dog is under exertion, dead worms may break loose and travel to the lungs, potentially causing respiratory failure and death. According to the American Heartworm Society, use of aspirin in dogs infected with heartworms is no longer recommended due to a lack of evidence of clinical benefit, and may be contraindicated. It had previously been recommended for its effects on platelet adhesion and reduction of vascular damage caused by the heartworms.

The course of treatment is not completed until several weeks later when the microfilariae are dealt with in a separate course of treatment. Once heartworm tests come back negative, the treatment is considered a success.

Surgical removal of the adult heartworms is also a treatment that may be indicated, especially in advanced cases with substantial heart involvement.

Long term monthly administration of ivermectin (but apparently not moxidectin, milbemycin or selamectin) year round for at least three years at the dose normally used for heartworm prevention (see "Prevention") also removes most adult heartworms from most dogs. However, this is not the treatment of choice for removal of adult heartworms for two reasons. First, not all dogs are completely cleared of heartworms by this treatment. More importantly, adult heartworms do not begin to die until some 18 months of treatment have elapsed, which is not acceptable under most circumstances. This treatment is normally reserved for dogs that are not likely to tolerate treatment with the harsher, but more effective, melarsomine or instances where the owner cannot afford the more expensive melarsomine treatment.

From time to time various "homeopathic," "natural" or "organic" products are touted as cures or preventives for heartworm disease. However, such products have never been proven effective by rigorous scientific methods, and the claims should be viewed with skepticism

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Posted by A.L. JONES on 09-08-2007 04:09 AM:

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I USED LEVASOL LIKE I WAS TOLD ON A FEMALE I GOT FROM SOUTH CAROLINA,SHE DIED AS SHE WAS SEVERLY INFESTED.BUT BY TRIAL AND ERROR THIS IS WHAT I LEARNED FROM IT IT IS IMPARITIVE THAT YOU B12 THEM FIRST THEN ONE PILL PER DAY FOR 3 DAYS THEN SKIP 3 WHILE DOING THIS USE SALT ON THE DOGS TONGUE OFTEN TO MAKE SURE THEY DRINK ALOT OF WATER AS THE WORMS ARE FLUSHED OUT THE LIVER AND KIDNEYS,3 DAYS DOWN THE LINE DO 3 DAYS IN A ROW USING SALT ON THE DOG..THEY WILL GET WEAK IN THIS 2ND APLLICATION GIVE IT A 3 DAY BREAK AS IT CAN ONLY KILL SO MUCH AND THE WORMS MUST BREAK LOOSE AS THEY DIE.TRY THIS IN 3 DAY CYCLES FOR 10 TIMES THEN HAVE EM CHECKED I BET YOULL HAVE A GOOD CLEAN DOG AFTER ABOUT 3 MONTHS AND THEY BE NORMAL AND NOT STERYL..HEART WORMS TAKE ALOT OUT OF A DOG.I LEARNED THIS FROM DAYTON JONES,IT HAS WORKED ON SEVERAL OTHER DOGS IVE GOTTEN BUT DEPENDS ON THE SEVERITY..GOOD LUCK,JONESY

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