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Coonhound Rules Proposals

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/News...8052013020319PM

I hope the Change available tree position points rule will get passed.

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some good changes in there hope some get changed

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Rule Changes

Many new additions that are very controversial to many 'old time' coonhunters in UKC that may make them harder to pass. A lot of these rule changes will depend on whom the breed associations have selected to be their reps to vote on these issues. If they are 'old timers', I don't think they will vote for many of these new proposals, unless there is a lot of association members let their reps know that they are in favor of these changes. IMO, many are a step in the right direction that are needed.

Just 'knit pickin' the proposals:
1- why was the '1st trees' only to be used for tie breaker? It seems to me that it would be easier to pass if all tree points for a hunt were used.
2- dogs already at a tree when judge arrives are minused if coon is seen, so it don't seem feasible to minus them if no coon is seen.
3- why minus dogs for coming into tree after judge arrives, if no coon is seen? If you're there for 7 minutes shining lights & start blowing squallers for next 3 minutes & a dog comes in to take minus even if coon isn't seen, it don't seem possible to pass a rule like this.

If not to be voted on by rules committee, when is UKC going to change their policy on the use of the Alpha on a cast? Just make the change, that the 'prongs' must be removed from collar to use on a cast. They would be no different than the other Garmins that are allowed, but this change should be taken care of NOW by them. JMOP. Take care, Ron.

What about a rule change on the alpha?

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Originally posted by Rolin Blues
Many new additions that are very controversial to many 'old time' coonhunters in UKC that may make them harder to pass. A lot of these rule changes will depend on whom the breed associations have selected to be their reps to vote on these issues. If they are 'old timers', I don't think they will vote for many of these new proposals, unless there is a lot of association members let their reps know that they are in favor of these changes. IMO, many are a step in the right direction that are needed.

Just 'knit pickin' the proposals:
1- why was the '1st trees' only to be used for tie breaker? It seems to me that it would be easier to pass if all tree points for a hunt were used.
2- dogs already at a tree when judge arrives are minused if coon is seen, so it don't seem feasible to minus them if no coon is seen.
3- why minus dogs for coming into tree after judge arrives, if no coon is seen? If you're there for 7 minutes shining lights & start blowing squallers for next 3 minutes & a dog comes in to take minus even if coon isn't seen, it don't seem possible to pass a rule like this.

If not to be voted on by rules committee, when is UKC going to change their policy on the use of the Alpha on a cast? Just make the change, that the 'prongs' must be removed from collar to use on a cast. They would be no different than the other Garmins that are allowed, but this change should be taken care of NOW by them. JMOP. Take care, Ron.

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Originally posted by Dan Dogs
do the alpha's have a tone button? I don't own one, but just wondering.

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It would be great if the Breed Associations would provide a forum of some sort to allow the membership to give input on how it would like it's reps to vote on these proposals. At the very least, maybe they could announce who the rule reps are.


I'm just glad UKC changed the rule change session to every 3 years instead on every two years as it once was. A couple proposals are probably for the better but the rest need to be shown the door.

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Proposal 6 is probably the very worst proposal I have seen since I have been in this sport.
Any numbnuts getting his ass handed to him can walk by my dog while everyone is diligently searching the tree and yell "this dog just grabbed me!!!". Uh, well, grabbing is certainly aggressive, that dog is scratched!

In Indiana, the sheriffs dept is required by law to investigate and order confined any dog that bites a human. Even if that human owns the dog that bit it. That outweighs anything UKC can put in it's ruleb book and I seriously doubt Indiana is the only state with such a law.

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Spectators

So glad to see this rule finally brought up for a vote. I see this rule as the most commonly ignored rule anyways so might as well change it.

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Originally posted by kayapellijed390
So glad to see this rule finally brought up for a vote. I see this rule as the most commonly ignored rule anyways so might as well change it.

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Rule Changes

I agree with Rolin Blues on 2&3. Dog should not be minused for coming in to tree after cast arrives where coon is not seen. Do like second and third count down on tree points.

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_________________________________ Rule 2. POINT SYTEM: 1.) Change available tree position points to: (b). 125 points for dog declared treed first, 75 points second, 50 points third, 25 points fourth. After one minute second tree position is not available. After two minutes, third tree position is not available. The only position available after two minutes is fourth tree position.

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_________________________________ Rule 4. POINTS WILL BE MINUS:

2.) Eliminate (d) and change (g) to: (g). Dog treeing, but not declared treed, when judges arrives, will be awarded next available tree position. In the case of two or more dogs split tree points are awarded. Those strike and tree points will be minused, regardless of how the tree is scored. Dogs shut out on strike to receive minus tree points only.

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_________________________________ 3.) Eliminate Rule 5b and add to Rule 4: Any dog(s) coming into a tree, after the judge arrives, to receive its strike points minused, regardless of how tree is scored. If dog is shut out refer to Rule 3(d).

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_________________________________ Rule 5. CIRCLED AND DELETED POINTS:

4.) Add to deleted points section: If a majority is not reached to plus, minus or circle strike and tree points, when scoring trees and a hunting judge is used.

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_________________________________ Rule 6. DOGS WILL BE SCRATCHED:

5.) Implement time period for dog not hunting to: (d) Failing to make any attempt to hunt within any 15 consecutive scorecard minutes. Time is temporarily paused when time out is called or if dog is leashed at a tree but it then continues when dog is recast. A dog must be gone for five minutes or be declared struck before time is lifted.

6.) Add rule to cover dog aggression towards cast members as follows: If dog shows aggression towards any cast member.

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_________________________________ Rule 8. TIME OUTS:

7.) Remove (c) and replace with: When all dogs in cast are on leash and have been scored.

8.) Remove (i) and replace with: If all dogs are declared treed or on leash time out shall be called after 10 minutes of hunt time has been used walking to split tree(s). Time is back in during shining time or if dog leaves tree.

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_________________________________ Rule 11. HANDLERS AND JUDGES:

9.) After rule stating: {Where dogs split up Judge will go} etc. add sentence: If all dogs are declared treed and handled, cast may score trees in most convenient order.

10.) Change rule: {Permission will be given for other handlers to go to their dogs on split tree} to: Judge may give handler permission to handle dog on a split tree unless cast is in the process of shining or scoring tree.

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_________________________________ Rule 16. TIES:

11.) Change tie-breaker rules to: All ties to be broken as follows: 1) The dog that has the most plus first tree points. 2) If still a tie, the dog that has the least number of total minus points. 3) If still a tie, the dog that has the most plus strike points. 4) If still a tie, the dog that has the most circle tree points. 5) If still a tie, the dog that has the most circle strike points 6) If still a tie, dogs involved with hunt in one hour intervals until tie is broken, or flip a coin if all parties agree.

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_________________________________ Rule 17. GENERAL INFORMATION

12.) Replace rule that states: {spectators may not shine the tree} with: Spectators may not shine the tree, unless, all handlers in cast agree. However, spectators are not included in the majority required to score trees and shall have no part in any scoring discrepancies. __________________________________________________
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I like most of them...and they need to really pass the tree countdown

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you should be allowed to use your garmin during hunting time

Re: Re: Rule Changes

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do the alpha's have a tone button? I don't own one, but just wondering.

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Originally posted by tim griffin
alpha does have a tone button but if alpha is off like garmins are post to be collar doesn't work unless garmin is on and collar picked up

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Rule

I agree 100 percent on tree point countdown I need to study some of the other changes before I can have an honest input on them. I have been competing in the hunts for almost 30 years and agree some changes need made. I would really like to see ukc go back to the old babbling rule.

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Originally posted by Dan Dogs
do the alpha's have a tone button? I don't own one, but just wondering.

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Can't say i am in favor of any of them, but i am sure against afew for sure. Countdown is still up in the air with me. Hunting grounds are smaller, and its going to promote a lot of "independent breeding" in my opinion, but it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I don't like, nor will i support the spectator shine rule. Why would anyone want to give another cast member two more eyes to look with? I know, if he is there, he is there, but then sometimes my old eyes don't work as well as the younger ones, and it is harder to find one with what could now become 12 lights burning down a tree instead of 4 dim ones. I like it as it is now.

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if you had an old time coondog that had the coon you would like someone else seeing a coon for you no more circle tree would be the best new law and the only new law allowed in ukc

I like the countdown format, but on the other hand it adds a disadvantage to being a hunting judge. already enough to keep track of. jmo

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How would this rule be in-forced? Judge's discretion? Cast vote?
6.) Add rule to cover dog aggression towards cast members as follows:
If dog shows aggression towards any cast member.

I like the spectator one.

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