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Gauge x Alice & Gauge x 6 Pack pup training!

Well,to start off with I hope some can gain from what I do as far as training pups here at the kennel! What has worked for me as far as training young pups may or may not work for others but if one is looking to raise a litter for themselves,this is the best way in my opinion to get them started! As fas as the net is concerned in this training program,it has nothing to do with the out come of wether a pup will tree or not,it does not create miracles,it is nothing more than a training aid to start the pups to learn to want to chase and tree when the net goes up the tree! If they are not born with with it between the ears,it's a lost cause!I've have seen it here a time or two where some pups flunked out! The biggest asset for myself in using this program is the amount of time spent working with pups and starting them around 10 weeks and getting them to tree a turn loose coon at the age of 5 to 6 months old. This time around,I'll be narrowing down to 4 male pups from this cross and at the end if all goes well,I'll have these pups running and treeing coons in the wild with very little overall time spent on my part. It goes some thing like this,6 hours max with net work and swimming lessons included is a few drags using the net, 2 to 3 hours on the chain gang to get them use to being controlled when they have to be tied up when you start to hunt them,and 8 to 10 hours of hauling them in the box, ( most important part of training pups )and finally,1 hour of work with a teathered coon! After it is all said and done,less than 20 hrs of my time to get 4 young pups running and treeing wild coons at a very young age and most important,not ever having to kill a coon! Impossible your thinkin,no,it can be done and I have done it on the last 2 litters raised here. The biggest thing when working with the net is have a group or 2 or more to work with. Numbers when it comes to working with pups is key.They form a pack and work together as such. Single pups can be done but not as effective as with working with 3 or 4 at a time. The net is nothing more that a loop net mounted to an extended handle from a tree pruning saw. The long handle allows you to get the pups away from you when they start to chase it. Short just doesn't fill the bill in this case. Rance,to answer your ? A few years back I owned field trial labs and german shorthairs. Met a guy that trained killer whales for sea world who also trained labs and shorthairs and ran field trials all over the country. I learned from him and how he trained young dogs and the key to keeping everything positive at a young age. Hounds are not much different than labs or shorthairs,both have to be started and trained to do thier job and become hunters. Labs learn to fetch thrown dummies and retrieve them back,as time goes on,ducks come into play,bird dogs,scented wing on a long pole to see if the pointing part is there. Simple training aids to help print a message into thier tiny young brains,all can be controlled 100% by the trainer and always ends in a positive outcome. By using this net,that's what happens once one learns to train with it! What you will see in these videos is what you are going to see in the dark as these pups grow older! A very wise man once said,before one can learn to fly,one must first learn to walk,only till then can he learn to fly! Instilling the chase and treeing in these pups is the start of what they will be doing the rest of thier lives. The hauling,swimming,being tied up and net work is all part of learning to run and tree coons and is followed by hunting them. I never had much success with keeping a hound in the kennel till 10 or so months old and load it up and start hunting without at least doing some of the things stated above. Guys,everyone has thier own way of doing things like myself,if one is happy in what he does,he stays with it! When it comes to the net,the key is amount of time spent vs the rewards at the end. With that being said,have fun with it and if ya have a ?, feel free to ask! First video is 7 pups still here and of course the pics are of Gauge II out of Gauge and 6 Pack. He'll be trained the way I use to start them years ago till I got smarter!! Later,Danny G.

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7 pups left!

The 5 males are mine,the 2 females have new owners and I'm helping them out a bit! Just to fill you in a bit,these pups have been hauled and also had swimming lesson for the first time. They'll be 3 months old in 2 days, so in the next 2 to 3 months,lot's to do to get them to run and tree some coons! Take notice of thier tree style,not much will change between now and 6 months of age! These pups are wanting to be trained and eager to learn so things should go well from here on out! For the one that will ask,Terry Tucker's coon scent is all I use and never had a problem with getting pups to change over when starting to hunt them. The best scent out there by far! The problem I'm haveing with this bunch is which one I'm going to part with next. All are real nice as you will see as we move along. Always one important thing to keep in mind,all training is done in very short sessions,at this age short is better always. Hauling is longer as they grow older! Keep it positive,keep them wanting and eager to be worked with! Short and sweet will keep them wanting more! Thanks,Danny G.

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Gauge x 6 Pack pup

This one will bring a whole new meaning for me and how I have trained pups for the last 15 years! He's going to be done my old school ways but lot's has to be done before he goes to the timber! I need to gain his trust in me,needs to be chain broke,needs to be hauled,needs to learn how to some what lead. The next 2 weeks will be all I do with this pup. After that,things will start to get into some live action and quick at his age. Sit back and see how it goes with him right here. Being bred right,looks to spare and his mouth makes me want to get started now but I know better than that so I'll take some time and do it the right way! I'm calling this one for now Gauge, will he make Gauge II,time will tell! Meet Gauge!! The pink collar was wore on Jet 8 during the purina race! It's a lucky one!! Thanks,Danny G.

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Her is Tide for you danny

Very nice Robert!

Robert

She looks nice! Getting ready to haul Gauge for a bit! Update on him coming real soon! Stay tuned,Danny G.

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Gauge

Everything is coming along great with him. Took him to the vets and had him all checked over and blood work done. He has been hauled a bit over 100 miles and is taking the hauling great. Been leading him around the kennel and that is coming along ok. I've been tying him up as well and that part is coming along nicely. Looks like things are on track to get started with a coon soon and see how that part goes. Swimming lessons to come soon as well. Stay tuned,Danny G.

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Pups going for a swim later

To anyone that has been trying to get ahold of me,anwering service on my home ph isn't allowing me to hear the messages being left if it records them at all. Need a new one I guess!! If ya need to get in touch,send me a pm with a ph# and I'll call you! Later,Danny G.

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Lots went on today!

Ron Jackson came over and gave me a hand with the pups this evening. We took them swimming,worked with the net on the tree a bit and loaded them back up in the big kennel crate and hauled them around for a while longer. Total hauling time around 45 minutes!!Everything went well except for getting all those pups back in that kennel crate! That was a tough one! After we got back to the kennel we introduced them to a real live coon and they really liked that! Key to introducing these pups is doing it while thier in the pup pen. Two reasons,it's thier domain to control,second is that thier boldness is always strongest as a group in the surroundings they are use too! Boldness thru numbers is key at this stage of training with a coon. Also showed the coon to Gauge and looks like he's liking it also! Pups more than likely will not see another coon until they get older and I have one teathered up! Be around 4 and half months old or so before that happens. Tie out chain gang is next on the agenda,just have to get things ready before I get started. From here on out,mostly hauling the pups will be my main objective along with a few drags for them. Other than that,just caring and spending lots of time in the pup run with them until the get older! At 5 months old,I should have them treeing turn loose coons if all goes well! I believe it will happen,time will tell all soon! Videos of swimming and introduction to a coon coming soon! Stay tuned,Danny G.

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Swimming vid

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Workin Gauge pup with a coon

Gauge has been doing well taking all the change in his young life of just under 10 months old. He has been hauled well over 120 miles sense he has been here,seems to be handling that part well. I decided to mess with him with a teathered coon this morning with a bit of help! He did real nice for his first time of seeing and messing with him with a coon. This video is the very end of the session because the camera man,myself forgot to start the video cam. As you can tell,he's getting a bit out of breath and his tongues hangin out a bit! Messed with him for about 15 minutes or so! Overall,I would rate his showing as a 8 or 9 on a total scale of 10. Not bad for a pup that has never been messed with at all! He seems to be taking it all in stride and I'm looking to start hunting him soon! 1 more session with a coon and then to the woods from there!! Stay tuned,Danny G.

Gauge's 1st coon

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Video of pups soon!

The pups introduction to a live coon video coming soon! Stay tuned,Danny G.

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First live coon

Mr. Glista,
I wonder if you could expand on the whole net thing...it's my fault but I am confused on this end. The first time I ever heard of a net being used to train dogs I was told that a live coon was dropped down into the net and his feet go through so he can walk and climb, but he cant get away and the handler/trainer has control. You can let the coon walk across the ground to lay a more natural track. Also, when a young dog gets interested and follows or runs the track you can let the pup actually see the coon climb but stop him out of reach to help get the pup to tree.
My confusion comes in because the only videos or pictures of a trainer actually using the net method never includes a coon...at least not in the part they film. How does this net thing work??? What am I missing??? It just seems like getting a bunch of pups to chase and tree something that doesn't include a coon might not be the best thing to do???

Tucks Coon Scent! Spray it into and on the net.

Ok,good ?

When I start to work pups with a net,what I'm looking for is the natural insticnt in them to want to chase at the start and when I put that net up on the side of the tree,naturally climb up and tree on it! NOW,some might think it's just a game but in all reality, this from the start actually starts to imprint in thier young minds how to chase and tree a coon. If it's them this brings it out. The whole idea from the start it to imprint in the pups mind that what they chase is eventually going to climb sooner or later unless it's speed beef!! All I use is coon scent on the net that Terry Tucker sells and when I start to lay drags for them which is 2 or 3 at best,I'll take the scent bottle and spray 2 sides of the tree so they can locate the tree better. The net I'll spray with scent just before I lay the drag. All drags are laid in the morning when the dew is heavy and the pups have the best chance to succeed. If you watched the video,why would those pups be at all interested in that coon if they haven't ever seen one let alone tree up on it when I put it up on the fence. The only thing they have ever saw before that time was the net with scent on it. What I have done is start to condition in thier young minds to tree and if it's not there to begin with,they will fail,net or no net! I can see where putting a coon in a net and laying drags could work,I have done it myself years ago but this way,if done properly at the time these pups reach 5 months old,I'll cut a coon loose across an open field,let them watch it go and just before the coon reaches the woods,I'll cut them loose and they will go on the chase and be treeing when it climbs because they have been trained and condition to do so in thier young minds at a very young age! All this being done with 5 or 6 pups and less than 20 spent of my own time! That's what make the net so valuable and to boot,never have to kill a coon. They tree because they have been trained and conditioned to do so! That's what the net does and yes,if one can help it,never let them get ahold of the net,that's what keeps them wanting more! If it happens,peel it off them and continue on! Yes,I can see where some may think of it as just a game to play,When they turn 5 months old,I'll video this games outcome when I cut a coon loose,the game is over and they will have treed thier first coon! If it's there from the start,this just imprints it in thier young minds with very little to no effort on trainers part. Just some commin sense,patience and a bit of time! I've trained pups for years,there is no easier way to get a bunch of pups started,period. The net program allows the pups to work as a pack,learn from one another and creates boldness in numbers,the best all around situation for training a bunch of pups in my book and along with that,always ending in a positive outcome!! You just can't beat it! What you see and maybe some others might not fit your program but for me,it works and I'll continue to do so until someone can show me something better than! Good,?,hope I explained it for you! Let me say just one other thing about starting pups this early. Many feel you start them early,they get burned out! No truth to it what so ever! If the pup goes backwords,100% of the time it will be the one hunting its fault! Over hunting,bad handling with no patience is all that is needed to make them want less instead of more! Yes,I never have seen a pup go backwords on it's own,owners cause it! Have you ever seen a pup put on it's own collar,load itself in the box and go hunting,I never have! Who left to blame other than!!!Just some food for thought! Just because you start them early,you must also hunt them smart and let them tell you what is needed! They'll tell ya if one is willing to take notice and learn them!! Later,Danny G.

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What I gain from my own videos!

Guys,first off,I'm not saying to go out and start your pups in such a way. Stick with what works for you!Guys have pm'ed ask ask for me to go thru it once again so I'm doing that for those that want to learn it! One thing is guarenteed,thier is never a coon in that net for the start or ever! Nothing but coon scent on it! That's the last coon they will ever see in a trap! Next coon they will see will be teathered on the end of a rope with a collar on it 2 times! When I get started,I learn myself about each indivual pup from the start and as time goes on from the time they come out of the whelping box. Which ones excels from the start to the one that started a bit slower and now takes control. They all change to a point as they get older.It might sound crazy but each pup tells you alot about itself if you pay close attention but when your working them,it's hard to take it all in at that moment so I go back and replay the vids and start to learn each pup as time goes on. I learn things like who is going to be more vocal on track,desire and the drive they have to want to chase,locates,tree style,how big a mouth they have and along with all that, the most brains and who wants to please the trainer! Yes,all can be found out if you take notice and learn over time what to look for. Sometimes there are just 2 or 3 in a litter that stand out,but when you have 7 like this,it takes time to learn them and yes,the purpose of me doing all this is because I'm looking to keep what please myself more than anything! That's why I raised this litter. As one can see,these are all pretty nice at just 4 days over three months old. What I have seen when going thru this net program is when you cut a coon loose for them after they have ran and treed a couple of drags,on thier first turn loose coon, when the track comes to end,they are looking to get treed! It's hard to totally explain,but it works for me! Later,Danny G.

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Something to think about!

What I have learned over the years is there are certain things you have control over when in comes to coonhounds,1st being is that you can have some control over the treeing part to a point. Not enough tree might as well be none!! To much tree can be worked on to a point! No treeing insticnt at all goes to heaven! So if we consider the treeing part first hand and find what one is looking for to his or her own likings,we have a good place to start! Now,knowing that the tree part is there from an early age,we have to take a close look at the whole picture as we start to hunt one. 100 % facts is that you can't do anything about how a young hound is going to handle and run a track,nor can you control how much hunt one has. They either have it or they don't! JMO on that. Yes,one can turn loose a young hound with an older hound to maybe get it to go hunting better from the start.Might work and has but if continued for a long period of time,you just started the first process of creating a me too dog! Again,just JMO!A few nights might help but the best to do is hunt the young hound from the start by itself!In doing so,one can see from the start what the youngster has in him or her.What I found over the years is that pup trainers are nothing more than a help to get the youngster to the end of the track. Nothing more,nothing less. Some may see it different but 5 coons treed by a young hound itself is better than 20 with and older hound along. Soon a youngster will start to rely on ole faithful to get a mouthful of fur and it goes downhill from there. I'm not saying that an old hound won't help move things along to a point but a youngster doing it on it's own from the start is always better! Again,JMO! As far as these 7 pups are concerned,I have control over what is happening on the tree and it's there for my likings but the drive and tracking ability I have no control over so at this time,all I can do as they grow older is to hunt them and let them show me what's in between the ears when it comes to the last few things to learn,drive to go hunting and how well they can handle and run a track! These pups are going to tree without a doubt! If these pups have the drive,hunt and tracking ability,bingo,got someting to hunt and work with in the future! Later,Danny G.

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Gauge is on track!

I'll start hunting him the first od the week and one thing I'm looking for from the start is get gone,period! Out of sight ,out of mind,one has to go hunting to stay here! Just that simple! I'll give it some time but as I've known,my patients are thin these days!! I'll let ya know how it goes! Pups are fine,just growing older so I can continue on with them! Later,Danny G.

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Here is his brother Danny

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Danny have u ever hunted with that dog in Ohio out of gauge that they have for sale on prohound for 10000. I enjoy read your post

Jason

Never hunted with him. Sounds like a goodin!

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HOW ARE THEY DOING NOW

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Back to the pups!

Well,bass tourney's are done and time to get back to work with the pups. I did swim them some with the help of Ron Jackson. I'm now down to 4 males,and 1 female at the kennel with the female leaving this week. Sept.6th,they will be 4 months old so hopefully the weather cools down a bit as I continue on working with them. As of now,they are all kennel up after I took a week of redoing the kennel and got that all finished up before winter hits. The only thing left to do is get the wiring and condouit ran for the water heaters. Pups are doing real good overall and are getting bigger every day seams like. I had a few problems with the pup run and them getting out so I have some work to do there if I ever raise another litter of pups on down the road. Next project for the pups is to get them chain broke and use to being tied out. It's a very important part of training any pup before it is taken to the timber. Along with that,a few drags but not to many and let them grow a bit older before the live coon action takes place. The hauling has been completed and all haul well. Rabies and last 9 ways to be given Sept 6th so all is well before thier hunted in the timber at night. I've a 1 male pup that needs a new home but haven't decided which one of 2 that I want to let go at this time so I'll keep both around for awhile longer. Last time I took a few pups over to swim,1 of the pups dove in the lake and I'm here to tell ya,forever more that pup wanted to swim in that lake. Kinda like Forrest Gump who just started runnin,this pup just wanted to swim and at one point,I was ready to jump in and get him when he was in the middle of the lake heading for open water,lucky for me he turned towards the shore and I rounded him up. Ron Jackson was with me and he couldn't believe it either.that dang pup loves to swim he said,I reply to him it's hot out!! LOL!! Any how because of that type of drive,he's hangin around for a bit!! When I get a chance,I'll post some pics of them when laying drags and chain gang work along with the redoing of the kennel! Later,Danny G.

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