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Most over used as well as incorrect use of a rule

Some time ago Todd K. asked our opinion on this forum about what we felt was the most misapplied rule.
I never saw it go any further but I stated that I felt it was the DELETE POINTS rule.
I think this rule is the one of most misapplied rules.

Let me explain.
Almost every week I hear from someone about how points have been deleted .I then will have to tell them that they were wrong and why.
Just this morning I got a call about a hunt last night.
Here is what happened .Dog A was treed alone.5 minutes are up and Handler of dog B insists on treeing his dog.
The hunting judge says okay but you will go in for 125.Now the real fun starts as the three handlers disagree with the judge.They go into the tree and both dog A and B are on the tree and it is slick. The judge wants to minus Dog B on his strike and tree .The other three handlers disagree .The judge is unable to find the rule (rule 4(k))which applies on the back of the card.They over rule the judge 3-1 and say because the dog came into a closed tree they should delete all his points.
The judge with draws but continues on the hunt. Dog B wins the cast and gets a first place. If the points had been properly applied Dog C would have won the cast as well as a 1st place instead.The judge did not want to question it as he had nothing to gain .It also was under a hunt panel .
I know it is just as much dog C handlers fault for not knowing the rules and losing the cast and I was told he was one of the handlers most argueing to delete.

On several other occasions I have heard because a vote is 2-2 on either minus ,plus, or circle .Because no one can agree on a majority the cast is deleting the strike and tree points.
On some other occasions I have heard guys pulling dogs off bad tracks to go to another dump and deleting the points.

I think the deleting of points needs to be rediscussed and clarified as when it is appropriate to delete points.

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You are right and you make some great points.

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I think most of the DELETE mistakes come from guys that hunt both KCs. I think the most abused rule is the timeout rule. Hit a quick one and move is a great way to build a big score, but it makes drawing the right guide the biggest part of the hunt.

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Originally posted by JiM
You are right and you make some great points.

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I know this is happening too much and needs addressed.So I am bringing this back up.

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i haven't hunted a comp hunt in a year or so but i'd say when i did hunt alot the most abused rule was people questioning the judge constantly wanting to argue about rules or how things we're done. people want to tell the judge how he should be judging the cast. this is where all the arguing comes from. the judge even if its his first time shouldn't be persuaded or questioned by other cast members even if hes wrong. if he's wrong then question the call on the card. don't get it wrong not saying not to help sort an honest mistake out but you gotta call all the cast together before getting in the judges ear about a rule. and at the club you'll have everyone trying to pass off the scorecard and get to the woods and their an expert. if your an expert and want it judged perfectly then you should have judged don't start telling another judge how to do his job. i beleive the authority of the judge has been undermined. so the last hunts i was at i would let it be known i was the judge and it was my cast and if you got a question we'll vote on it or put a ?.. so i guess the most abused rule would be interferring with judges decisions and calls is the most abused.

I say the most abused rule in this kc is the circle points on scoring trees. Simply due to the fact that you have to have plus points to win your cast. nothing wrong with having to have plus points but it sure changes the scoring of the trees.

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I would like to be able to take a panel back to a previously scroed tree after a vote has accured

i would like to see when something like what happened in the original story . if buddys out vote the cast on something thats clearly wrong and against the rules be called out and punished for it. that if the cast votes on it theres nothing that can be done needs to be changed

Thats where taking a panel back to a scored tree would have an effect...no more buddy system for circling slicks

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Originally posted by DANNY RAMEY
i would like to see when something like what happened in the original story . if buddys out vote the cast on something thats clearly wrong and against the rules be called out and punished for it. that if the cast votes on it theres nothing that can be done needs to be changed

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RULES

PEOPLE SEEM TO FORGET!!!! ON A COMPETITION HUNT THERE ARE LIVE PEOPLE, LIVE DOGS, AND LIVE COON!!! EACH GROUP HAS A SEPERATE MIND AND ALSO DIFFERENT TYPES OF MINDS. HUNTS ARE KIND OF LIKE MURPHY'S LAW=-WHAT CAN HAPPEN WILL HAPPEN== IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE RULES TO COVER EVERYTHING THAT WILL HAPPEN.

IF YOU GUYS WANT TO COMPETITION HUNT==HAVE AT IT==BUT AS AN INDIVITUAL DON'T EVER EVER EVER EXPECT EVERYTHING TO TURN OUT LIKE YOU WANT IT TO!!!

JUST HUNT AND LET NATURE TAKE ITS COURSE!!! THAT'S WHAT ALWAYS HAPPENS ANYWAY.

I WAS AT THE 3rd ACHA HUNT IN 1950 AND A GUY WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE RULES, SO JUST THINK, IT'S NOTHING NEW!!! SOME OF YOU YOUNG GUY'S WILL BE AROUND IN 2048 TO CELEBRATE THE 100th YEAR OF HUNTS,AND GUESS WHAT== I PREDICT THERE WILL BE SOMEONE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE RULES!!!!


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