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Posted by Rick Ennen on 12-15-2009 01:48 AM:

Dog Started Hunting Deep?

The Garmin is great for picking up your dog when he gets on a road. I also found that driving over and picking him up wherever he pops out of the woods gets you to a new drop point in less time. In my area you might have to drop your dog a few times before he'll find a track. So picking him up quickly and moving to a new spot increases your chances. Well last fall my young dog (coming 3 in April) stopped returning to me. He was a consistent medium hunter, but now he goes and goes by himself until treed. I'm wondering if my practice of driving over and picking him up wherever he comes out of the woods rather than making him run back to where I dropped him put the idea in his head that he doesn't have to worry about finding me because I will always go find him first? I'm not complaining. Just wondering if there is a connection to how I used the Garmin. And maybe he just grew up.

Posted by Larry Emery on 12-15-2009 02:04 AM:

Rick; I think your right about your dog depending on you now to go to him, I sometimes wonder if our dogs will start losing there homing instincts with the use of Garmins, they sure are a wonderful tool to have though.

Posted by hillbilly56 on 12-15-2009 03:10 AM:

hunting deep

sounds likeyou got a walker dog lol

Posted by Okie Dawg on 12-15-2009 03:59 AM:

Dogs learn by repitition. If you go get infront of them after a while that is what they know will happen. The Garmin is a great tool but it will make dogs worse about running threw a section with there head up playing grab tail if your not careful it wil be a new way of roading your dogs.
I am not going to let mine get in that habbit. If you do any comp. they have to be in ear shot to be able to hear a strike or tree. You can't locate them till you can call time out. My guess is you might not be complaining now but you might be latter.
Bad habbits are easy to start and hard to stop. That is why there are a lot of cheap dogs for sale.

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Posted by Rick Ennen on 12-15-2009 04:04 AM:

He's a Walker dog all right. He'll hunt out the section of land I put him in and if no track is found he's gone for a better place.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 12-15-2009 04:16 AM:

he grew up.you keep asking and pushing in thin coons
it happens.that is why most people like hunting young
dogs around here.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 12-15-2009 04:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rick Ennen
He's a Walker dog all right. He'll hunt out the section of land I put him in and if no track is found he's gone for a better place.

One thing about a Garmin you don't have to take there word for weather they hunt the section or just run threw it. It is all on the screen how well they cover the ground.

Posted by Rick Ennen on 12-16-2009 04:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by blueticking: it
he grew up.you keep asking and pushing in thin coons
it happens.that is why most people like hunting young
dogs around here.

I'm sure you are right to a good extent. He's a smart dog and wants to please me. The Garmin made it real effective to encourage him to go deeper. When he'd come back too soon and I'd see on the Garmin he did not go far enough, I'd take him by the collar, turn him around and send him right back where he came from. Didn't take long and I didn't need to do that anymore.

What really seemed to kick his hunting up a notch even further was using the Garmin to pick him up wherever he happened to come out of the woods.

He knows coons are not found on roads and doesn't mess with running them. He'd rather go through the thick stuff and run through swamps and along lake edges.

I like it!!

Posted by treberta on 12-16-2009 04:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
One thing about a Garmin you don't have to take there word for weather they hunt the section or just run threw it. It is all on the screen how well they cover the ground.

I can hunt my little walker female in a small section and watch her on the garmin. She makes a huge circle in it. Man I love it. Garmins are where it's at!

Posted by Okie Dawg on 12-16-2009 05:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by treberta
I can hunt my little walker female in a small section and watch her on the garmin. She makes a huge circle in it. Man I love it. Garmins are where it's at!

Yea between it and the improvements in the e-collar they have sure made training any kind of dogs a lot easier BUT less fool proof. It is a lot easier to mess one up with an abusive button in the wrong hands. ( :

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 12-16-2009 07:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rick Ennen
I'm sure you are right to a good extent. He's a smart dog and wants to please me. The Garmin made it real effective to encourage him to go deeper. When he'd come back too soon and I'd see on the Garmin he did not go far enough, I'd take him by the collar, turn him around and send him right back where he came from. Didn't take long and I didn't need to do that anymore.

What really seemed to kick his hunting up a notch even further was using the Garmin to pick him up wherever he happened to come out of the woods.

He knows coons are not found on roads and doesn't mess with running them. He'd rather go through the thick stuff and run through swamps and along lake edges.

I like it!!

to me any time a dog is on a road he is in the wrong place
and not going to live much longer.
we creek hunt everything has to drink any time a dog is
off the water and not running a track.he is out of pocket.

Posted by Lee Stocking on 12-16-2009 07:18 PM:

Rick from my experience in hunting thin coon, you are correct. Hounds can also be taught the same practice in thick coon(dont come back). or vise versa. It can come natural too. I think its easier to turn a natural deep hunter into a non return hunter wich is what I try to keep for the wide open hunting I have and the thin coon. More so by repetition with closer hunting dogs. I learn something new with every dog I train so I might be off track a little...

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 12-16-2009 07:45 PM:

right,take a young dog and push him dwn a creek everytime he
comes back walk dwn to that spot and push him again over
and over again before surgery i was pushing about 3 miles.
when we were riding mules yrs ago and the hunting was there
it was easy to push 5-8 miles.

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