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Deeper, Faster

Asking for some help for a pup I got. 1 y/o male. Been wearing down the leather for a year walking through the woods with this dog everyday, except for deer season or strong storms. Still when I cut him loose, it takes a few for him to venture out. When he does venture out, no more than 200 yrds and he comes and checks back in. What can I do to try and get the dog to TAKE OFF when cut loose and go deeper? What can I try? He has had a few coons knocked out to him so far this season. Is it just process of continuing what I am doing before he will take off or what can I do to expedite the process? Any tips greatly appreciated. Sas

P.S. I seriously take this dog out every night. I am thinking he is just following my lead through the woods.

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My Male dog did the same thing. I hunted him from 2 months till 2 years old solo. He is now three and punches a hole in the dark and runs a track and gets treed with the meat. I think the only way to speed the process is hunt him with an older dog. I have not been privileged enough own or able to afford a solid older dog to help train young dogs, but the guys that have them hunt the young and older dog together till the young dog starts betting the older dog on the track and tree. Then solo them out. I have found when you hunt a dog solo from the beginning you will wear out some boots to finish them out.

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I've been working my first pup the same way she hunted close.
I've put her with other dogs she pays them no attention. Put some feeder buckets out and turn him loose near them and see if he can get a long hot feed track. Mine is 20mnths old and just started striking consistently and hunting out made 3 drops tonight one tree with the meat. still not as hard and deep hunting as I like but it's progress patient and put the work in.

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Did he tree what you knocked out? There are plenty of coon within 200 yards to get after, so if he's not getting struck and treed, hunting deeper and faster isn't gonna change a thing. I dont live far from ya, the coons are here. Worry about the deeper and faster later, he has gotta get the basics down first

He did not tree the coons I have knocked down to him. The older dog that I have, I got for the purpose to be used as a pup trainer. When I take them both, the pup doesn't pay no mind to the older dog. When the old dog trees and I make my way to him, the pup stays with me and when we get there the pup will jump on tree sometimes, not every time.

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Well, it sounds like you got a buddy if nothing else.

This English pup we are starting now has been a hard going pup since day one except when my buddies 6 year old is along. The kid and that dog play together a lot and when he is along, the dog just wants to stay around and play with his buddy. How one addresses that is up to the individual but it darn sure has to be addressed. Our way was to impress upon that pup the notion that dark time is not play time. When it was no longer fun to hang around, he quit hanging around.

Not to he harsh but I can't even fathom putting up with what you are describing for a solid year. You allow the same thing day after day for a year, that dog's gotta think that is what he is suppose to do. Quit walking and start training but after a year....that ship may have already sailed.

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Just my opinion

1. You may see an increase in wanting to go hunting once he can consistently run and tree his own coon. That being said, some things you have to wait to work on until they are at that point in their career. I personally think that this is not one.
2. I try to make a dog like this UNCOMFORTABLE, but not scared, and not super distracted. Walk through the woods very fast. Raise your voice a little. Hit sticks up against your legs. Do not shock, do not beat, do not punish. If he seems too distracted, wait until he is better at running and treeing coon. Because that is the main goal. Treeing coon. Some will say to wait him out, just find a nice log to sit on. That works as well, for the patient man. lol.
A dog that trees coon and doesn't blow deep through the woods is still valuable to somebody. Don't ruin a dog that is a nice dog to someone else. Working on one to show it what to do and ruining one are two different things. Some dogs need guided more than others. Some dogs just won't be guided. I would listen to all opinions and do what makes sense to you!!

He is really only 7 yo in human terms and he has the blood behind him Patience Grass Hopper. S/FI!

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Just my experience but it sounds like you have been letting him walk with you since he was a small pup? Dogs learn from consistency. He has learned to walk with you. No different than dogs that are hunted with another dog all their life and they want a dog to go with them. He wants you to go with him. I wouldn't get to frustrate with the pup it's a problem you created. I've messed a bunch of them up in one way or another over the years. Your best bet is to send him to someone you trust to hunt him without you in the woods.

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Re: Deeper, Faster

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Originally posted by Squatch308
Asking for some help for a pup I got. 1 y/o male. Been wearing down the leather for a year walking through the woods with this dog everyday, except for deer season or strong storms. Still when I cut him loose, it takes a few for him to venture out. When he does venture out, no more than 200 yrds and he comes and checks back in. What can I do to try and get the dog to TAKE OFF when cut loose and go deeper? What can I try? He has had a few coons knocked out to him so far this season. Is it just process of continuing what I am doing before he will take off or what can I do to expedite the process? Any tips greatly appreciated. Sas

P.S. I seriously take this dog out every night. I am thinking he is just following my lead through the woods.

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