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Posted by RJ Burks on 03-30-2018 01:48 PM:

Which one is your kind ?

A cast that when dogs are cut they start huntin for coon and don't pay each other any attention unless they happen to strike together and you have a coon treeing contest the whole cast ??? Or a cast that when cut they stick together and see who can call their dog struck first and which dog can get to the tree first and be called treed the quickest ???

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Posted by RedSealKennels on 03-30-2018 01:58 PM:

I would rather have the dogs stay together and run the same track and make the same tree. That's how the points system is set up, for dogs that hunt together. If all the dogs just do their own thing there is no reason to even have a point system. You might as well just count coon seen. If the dogs are always alone there is never going to be a 2nd 3rd or 4th tree so why would need a point system for those places.


Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-30-2018 02:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by RedSealKennels
........ If the dogs are always alone there is never going to be a 2nd 3rd or 4th tree so why would need a point system for those places........

That is why some want to change the rules to a tree countdown. It would force everyone to breed for and hunt a dog that was always by itself. After changing to a tree countdown, then they would want everyone to strike for 25 pts. And then do away with leashlock rule. After that, you would just essentially count coons seen.


Posted by 4play on 03-30-2018 02:18 PM:

Re: Which one is your kind ?

quote:
Originally posted by RJ Burks
A cast that when dogs are cut they start huntin for coon and don't pay each other any attention unless they happen to strike together and you have a coon treeing contest the whole cast ??? Or a cast that when cut they stick together and see who can call their dog struck first and which dog can get to the tree first and be called treed the quickest ???


I don't like me too hounds.1 bark and the brush is breaking to get there.Where I hunt{Mi.} it Don't take 4 hounds to tree 1 coon.When I know there is way more than 1 coon in the woods.
BUT I don't like the straight line,deep in 1/2-1 mile before it puts its nose down either.Hunt out what there put in.

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Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 03-30-2018 02:46 PM:

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I like the first choice. I deer hunt and those dogs pack. I watch one of them dogs that are separated stand in the road and listen for the pack and then go that way 100 miles an hour. I think if I had a coonhound that did that then it would be no longer on this earth.

I think we are taking the independent thing, way beyond what it is really about. At least my definition of it. All of us reading this coon hunt. We know how difficult it can be at times for these dogs to run a coon. My dog being independent shows me he is the dog that is finding the coon which means he has hunt in him which we breed for. He is the one tracking the coon and taking it away from here. Which means he has tracking ability we breed for. I want him to tree and be able to tree alone which means he found the coon and doesn't care if another dog joins him or not. Which is what we breed for.

I don't want mine alone because he hates your dog. Because he is scared of your dog or any other reason like that. Those will leave this earth. I want him alone because the ability that should be bred in a coondog is coming out in him and that takes him away from the other dogs with less ability.

If you hunted a coon hound with your wife's poodle. Don't your thing your dog would probably be alone all night. Same thing when you have one with the ability that we are looking for in dogs and using that ability and leaving the ones without ability behind.
Isn't that what a competition hunt is about. Checking out their ability?

How many reasons do you have for loosing your last cast. You dog covered on a slick tree. Your dog followed another dog all night taking low strike and low tree score. They struck a track and one dog went left and treed a coon and yours went right and bogged down. It is lack of ability that cost you the cast. It is ability that won the other dog the cast. Then the looser wants to find fault with the winner when their dog has the same ability they are looking for and can't find.

I truly understand if you want a close hunting dog or dogs that work together. As we age this sport is not kind. I was able to drive the ranger about 300 yards and then went 150 yards on foot across a bad cut over cypress pond last night and I about didn't make it. If it wasn't for Corey being there I would have been in trouble. Fell several times in a mess of water and tree limbs that I know had to be hiding a snake every time I fell. But I haven't given up yet and until I do. I want ability in my dogs that take them hunting through hell or high water. Alone or with another one if it chooses to follow.

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Posted by novicane65 on 03-30-2018 02:56 PM:

Re: .

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
I like the first choice. I deer hunt and those dogs pack. I watch one of them dogs that are separated stand in the road and listen for the pack and then go that way 100 miles an hour. I think if I had a coonhound that did that then it would be no longer on this earth.

I think we are taking the independent thing, way beyond what it is really about. At least my definition of it. All of us reading this coon hunt. We know how difficult it can be at times for these dogs to run a coon. My dog being independent shows me he is the dog that is finding the coon which means he has hunt in him which we breed for. He is the one tracking the coon and taking it away from here. Which means he has tracking ability we breed for. I want him to tree and be able to tree alone which means he found the coon and doesn't care if another dog joins him or not. Which is what we breed for.

I don't want mine alone because he hates your dog. Because he is scared of your dog or any other reason like that. Those will leave this earth. I want him alone because the ability that should be bred in a coondog is coming out in him and that takes him away from the other dogs with less ability.

If you hunted a coon hound with your wife's poodle. Don't your thing your dog would probably be alone all night. Same thing when you have one with the ability that we are looking for in dogs and using that ability and leaving the ones without ability behind.
Isn't that what a competition hunt is about. Checking out their ability?

How many reasons do you have for loosing your last cast. You dog covered on a slick tree. Your dog followed another dog all night taking low strike and low tree score. They struck a track and one dog went left and treed a coon and yours went right and bogged down. It is lack of ability that cost you the cast. It is ability that won the other dog the cast. Then the looser wants to find fault with the winner when their dog has the same ability they are looking for and can't find.

I truly understand if you want a close hunting dog or dogs that work together. As we age this sport is not kind. I was able to drive the ranger about 300 yards and then went 150 yards on foot across a bad cut over cypress pond last night and I about didn't make it. If it wasn't for Corey being there I would have been in trouble. Fell several times in a mess of water and tree limbs that I know had to be hiding a snake every time I fell. But I haven't given up yet and until I do. I want ability in my dogs that take them hunting through hell or high water. Alone or with another one if it chooses to follow.



Bruce I agree, but instead of independent, I'd use the term from Richard "indifferent". They don't care if one follows along, but won't break their necks trying to cover or back another dog.

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Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 03-30-2018 03:03 PM:

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Probably a more accurate term.

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Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 03-30-2018 05:59 PM:

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Just got an interesting call from a deer hunting friend. Two maybe three years ago i gave him two Red July pups i had named Astro and Alpha. He wanted to know if i wanted astro. I asked him why he wanted to get rid of him. He said he was too independant and wouldnt run with his pack. LOL. He said he would alwasy come out of a block running a different deer than the pack was. Guess coon hunters are not the only ones with independent dogs.

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Posted by 2nd Mac on 03-30-2018 08:02 PM:

Big game hunters will cull one quick for not being where the action is.


Posted by RJ Burks on 03-31-2018 08:34 AM:

I prefer the first one and Mr.Bruce explained it really well...

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Posted by cole run on 03-31-2018 01:51 PM:

I want mine alone . When the rest are making mistakes I want it by itself and under a coon


Posted by Chuck Allen on 03-31-2018 01:56 PM:

My kind are extra trashy depression era sportsman hounds that are open on track and run to catch. Extra on the trashy. about 50-60 barks a minute all night tree dogs.

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