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Tone Recall Training Tips

Wanted some opinions and tips on training recall. Due to my location, I have to deal with roads. So I need my hounds to be very well trained in recall.

Does teaching recall hurt there drive at all?

Does calling a dog off of track hurt there drive at all?

Both my dogs are pretty well introduced to the tone, and obeying it, but I find it difficult to drill them on this, but also teach them to go out and find the coon. So I have been laying off on the recall.

However, I know that there will come a day, when I'm going to have to call them off of track, and I need to know that they will honor my command.

Any thoughts on this matter will be greatly appreciated.

Also has anyone seen the vickie lamb dvd on this subject is it worth the $?

My dogs are trained to come with the toner i train them to do it from a very young age it seems to become second nature to them most of my dogs hunt till they get struck and treed and the toner will bring them off track or tree a dog that handels means alot to me if you train them with the toner at a young age i don't thank it hurts their drive at all i haven't seen the video you speak of

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If a dog has enough drive recall should never hurt. you see a similar debate in the protection sports. the german shepherd sports do not require a recall off a bite while ring sports (malinois) do require a recall off a bite.

I can tell you this, once you train a dog this way you'll never do it any other way. I train all my dogs this way. Does not hurt anything, hunting, or treeing. I've called dogs treed across a river, and then went on hunting to tree coons on the side I was on. Years ago, my hunt would have been over. Also if dogs start straight lining,I can beep them back in. I have found its best to train in the yard during the summer when I'm not hunting. It's less likely to confuse the dog, than trying to do it while hunting. It is so easy to do, I can't believe everybody doesn't do this.

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Originally posted by marpal
I can tell you this, once you train a dog this way you'll never do it any other way. I train all my dogs this way. Does not hurt anything, hunting, or treeing. I've called dogs treed across a river, and then went on hunting to tree coons on the side I was on. Years ago, my hunt would have been over. Also if dogs start straight lining,I can beep them back in. I have found its best to train in the yard during the summer when I'm not hunting. It's less likely to confuse the dog, than trying to do it while hunting. It is so easy to do, I can't believe everybody doesn't do this.

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How do you guys like to go about tone training them, it would makes sense to drill this outside of the hunting scenerio this way you can limit the confusing.

in the yard with a 30 foot rope,hit the tone button pull the rope if he doesnt come. once he gets the idea of what you want then you use the shocker on a low number if he doesnt come

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Originally posted by chip johnson
in the yard with a 30 foot rope,hit the tone button pull the rope if he doesnt come. once he gets the idea of what you want then you use the shocker on a low number if he doesnt come

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Originally posted by chip johnson
in the yard with a 30 foot rope,hit the tone button pull the rope if he doesnt come. once he gets the idea of what you want then you use the shocker on a low number if he doesnt come

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Ok that is what I was thinking, and have done. I do have one pup, that appears to be a fear bolter, the other day a jogger snuck up behind us, and she bolted. She listens very well, unless something randomly spooks her. In this case the jogger did not stop, so neither did she. She eventually veered off the trail, and the dbag kept on running.
Outside of some incidents like this she always responds very well to my commands. I guess I need to take her to a park full of joggers, and work her thru it? But what happens when the next random thing makes her bolt, I will lose control again?

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Originally posted by marpal
I can tell you this, once you train a dog this way you'll never do it any other way. I train all my dogs this way. Does not hurt anything, hunting, or treeing. I've called dogs treed across a river, and then went on hunting to tree coons on the side I was on. Years ago, my hunt would have been over. Also if dogs start straight lining,I can beep them back in. I have found its best to train in the yard during the summer when I'm not hunting. It's less likely to confuse the dog, than trying to do it while hunting. It is so easy to do, I can't believe everybody doesn't do this.

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I have reservations about tone breaking one that will be put in the hunts because i suspect in the future these alphas are going to be allowed in peoples pockets. 3 or 4 dogs on the same tree, one guy pushes the button and your dog leaves and comes in.....
I can whistle loud enough for a dog to hear a couple miles out. OLD SCHOOL.

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