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Rule Changes?

Is this a year new rules or old rules are going to be voted on and possibly changed by the associations?

If so, hopefully someone brings the tree count down up again! What are some other rule changes/updates that are being kicked around?

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It is a rule change year.

I don't think the tree countdown rule will ever pass.....it's been on the agenda the last two rule change sessions....

Last time it failed because on breed association "abstained" from voting.....imagine that!

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my main request for change is rule 5(b)
no dog to recieve minus points for coming into tree after judge arrives unless a coon is seen & the dogs treeing are awarded plus points,

i feel if dogs make a slick tree & get minus, any dog that comes in to that tree before tree has been scored should recieve minus strike & next avalable possion on tree. this dog is in the same place as dogs getting minused. this dog has not finished its track the same as dogs that are getting minus, so why is this dog rewarded with no minus for getting there late, while other dogs get minus. to me this is the most unfair rule in the rule book !!

I STILL THINK THAT WE NEED A COUNT DOWN AT THE TREE. THERE IS NO NEED FOR A DOG TO RECIEVE 75 POINTS AFTER COVERING A DOG 3 OR 4 MIN AFTER HE/SHE TREES. I HOPE THEY PASS THIS ONE.

roughcreek

I can see penalizing the dog minus on track, but minusing tree points is a bit harsh after all they are not treeing.

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well I sent in a laundry list to Donnie Egli

There are quite a few rules that need to be straightened out, most are very simple wording corrections, but there are several that really need work. I don't feel like the progressive tree will work here, we already award an extra 25 points for the dog that tree's first, now you want to run the countdown? Kind of reminds me of an old saying , : give a mouse a cookie, he's gonna want a glass of milk,lol.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marcus McDaniel
[B]I STILL THINK THAT WE NEED A COUNT DOWN AT THE TREE. THERE IS NO NEED FOR A DOG TO RECIEVE 75 POINTS AFTER COVERING A DOG 3 OR 4 MIN AFTER HE/SHE TREES. i like the count down cuts the me to dogs down

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i feel like if that dog comes in to that tree it deserves the same as other dogs. that dog had same oprotunity to finish that track as other dogs & should be scored the same. a slick tree is a slick tree & any dog that comes to that tree & stays should get his dose of minus same as the other dogs that got there earlier. if you are in a place with few coons & a dog that has really done good work & falls short & looses his + points & a dog comes in to same tree after judge arrives & gets no minus & pulls out a win for same mistake is hard to take because it did not receive the same minus it deserved for ending up in the same place!!

Minus the dog coming to the tree after the judge arrives may be in order. Most hounds will come in if squalling, shaking vines and etc... is taking place. Do you think this might be the reason for it being the way it is? Sure helps out the gutless wounders that pull up slick every 50 yards.

The declining tree points may also be something to consider but that should hurt the slick treeing hounds when leaves are off. I am so surprised at the woodpecker holes and robin nest that guys try to circle. They just can't take those minus points when they have them coming. That's how they stay in the hunt and slide by. If changed, declining tree points need to start at 100 and not 125. Should we have declining strike points to help the babblers, "NO" ? It's OK for declining tree points but not strike points. I have always heard it's hard to tree a coon until you strike it. I have a great strike dog and want him awared a little extra by declining strike points. Babblers are scratched on the first offence would be a good rule change to help my dog.

Leave it alone it's worked for many years. Too much personal agenda on some of these issues.

Leave it alone it's worked for many years. Too much personal agenda on some of these issues. [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree,

What gets me is the guy that says my dog does this, so we need to change the rule.

Rough creek I think that rule is so the dogs can come in, gather them up, and get to the next spot, I don't want to stand in same place listen to dogs jack around, just because they can't finish some old bad track.

Like the guy said, there is all ready the 125 - 75 split, that makes up for the need to have countdown. I have enough to keep track of while judging, guiding, handling

lets change the 7min squalling rule...takes to much hunting time up if you have 4 split trees and everyone wants to wait until 7mins to squall... i think it needs to be like 3mins or so but 7mins is way to long to wait

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Originally posted by walkerdawg740
lets change the 7min squalling rule...takes to much hunting time up if you have 4 split trees and everyone wants to wait until 7mins to squall... i think it needs to be like 3mins or so but 7mins is way to long to wait

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Originally posted by walkerdawg740
lets change the 7min squalling rule...takes to much hunting time up if you have 4 split trees and everyone wants to wait until 7mins to squall... i think it needs to be like 3mins or so but 7mins is way to long to wait

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Personally I believe you can change the squalling time all you want and we are still going to see the same number of coons. No more, no less

As far as tree declining
Dog A trees for 125; dog B trees for 75 (4:50 seconds later) is not right. If I put my Kahunas on the line for 125, its not really fair for another dog to recieve second tree 4 minutes later. jmo

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“If winning isn’t everything, why do they keep score?”

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Squalling time is about having more time to hunt and not shining.

The more emphasis put on tree points will just encourage the tree grabbing radicals. The me too hounds are hard to beat but so are the slick tree dogs. By the time I walk to the fourth slick tree I get real sick to my stomach.

Pesonally I think if you want the declining tree points go hunt PKC. If your hunting a silent dog on track and a first tree dog the declining tree points will be the best thing since sliced bread. Think about it, 25 strike 125 tree +++++ = 150, 100 strike and 25 tree +++++ = 125 the silent mouth hound wins.

I also agree that declining tree points will encourage even more slick treeing idiots to be bred. You already have a 50 point spread between 1st and 2nd tree, now you want to spread it to 100 points? I personally hope they never accept declining tree points!

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If I cant beat silent dogs and slick treeing idiots I should look at what I'm hunting.

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“If winning isn’t everything, why do they keep score?”

Do you know how much money you could win with that dog?.................Now ask if I care.

Good point,

The problem with the silent mouth hound getting scratched for being silent is this. The dog opens a couple barks on a hot track but slides left handed 200 yards and trees a coon. Then he trees 3 singles and never barks on the ground. He can't be scratched but is still 99% silent.

My dog is honest on the ground and opens when he gets the track going his way. He trees layups and a count down would certainly favor his style. I have been beat by the babbler me too raskles and don't like it. I still don't like the big point break on one coon. I feel it promotes the hot nosed, get deep tree grabbers. With a mentalitity of so what if they make several slicks before treeing a coon.

The only way that you should have a problem beating a silent dog is if you are hunting a me-too dog. I also don't see how a tree countdown will promote slick treeing dogs. I don't care how many circle points that dog has all yours has to do tree a coon and you win.

So, aint none of yall having any trouble with babblers nowadays? I'd rather have a rule like akc's strike rule than a tree countdown..Would like to have both but I know that want fly!

The larger point spread will promote tree power not coondog power. This is strickly an opinion. There will be plenty of good ol trailers to produce the few hounds that I will need to finish me off. I will pleasure hunt the type of hound I like and slip out to a hunt now and then and play the game regardless of how the super hounds get er done.

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
So, aint none of yall having any trouble with babblers nowadays? I'd rather have a rule like akc's strike rule than a tree countdown..Would like to have both but I know that want fly!

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I hope they don't change the tree points. If you think about it (or look in the classifieds) everyone has a Split Tree Artist that is alone 90% of the time, so why should it bother them?
As already said, if you want countdown tree points, go to another KC Hunt.

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CHANGE TIME ALLOTED FOR SCRATCHING DOGS THAT WON'T HUNT

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT CUT TO 15 MIN IF A DOG DOESN'T HUNT SCRATCH THEM. AND GADAWG THE AKC STRIKE RULE IF YOU STRIKE THEM DURING THE FIRST MINUTE YOU HAVE TO TREE THEM. TAKES THE BUCKET OUT OF THE EQUATION.

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