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Garmin Alpha - tone, vibrate or e-stim

Just curious - when do you use tone and when do you use vibrate? And, what's your reasoning for using whichever you're using? And, lastly, at what point after the tone or vibrate doesn't give the results you want, do you apply stimulus?

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This is an interesting question. The answer has to come from you and it has to be wiell thought out. Since your on a coon hound board I assume you coon hunt. There are over a dozen different ways we use our hounds and field dogs and each sector probably has a slightly different opinion on this.

Me personally. I use tone to teach my dogs to come to me. Other that that the rest of the stuff is hardly ever used.

I was on the phone with a Friend the other day that uses tone on his dogs for them to come in. He just purchased a hound that was trained to find new area when toned. So you have almost opposite methods right there for the tone feature. Also with the shocking. Many don't want their dog to associate the stimulation with them (the handler). They want it associated with the off game the dog is doing or the negative act the dog is doing.

Lot of my deer hunting friends need to stop a pack of hard running dogs in an instant. To keep them off roads or posted land. Many have theirs trained to stop on the tone and if not when stimulated. Yes 30 minutes later they are running another deer with them. I know coon hunters think you shock one on deer they don't run them anymore. It is all in the application and the environment. Good luck finding the path you want to take with your hounds.

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As Bruce said, you have to make sure your dog knows why it is being toned or shocked first. You will drive them crazy if they don't know why.

Tone means stop whatever you are doing right now at my house. You get to warnings then bumped with the shock. Vibrate means come to me, if they don't come after being called.

I live in OH and we have some nice size bean and corn fields that can ruin your nite if a young dog gets in them. Mine get 5 min to move a coon out, they can't tree a coon in beans. So I tone them out, if they come near me I grab them and flip them right into the woods. I won't shock them out for running a coon. They learn pretty fast there being toned for being in the field. If I have to shock them off a coon because they are running near danger (roads ect..) I get to them as fast as I can an pet them up for coming.

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Everyone trains differently and there is no "best" way. There are only "good" ways. At my house, shock means quit what you are doing and go on. Tone means come to me.

Had a guy come up and hunt with me for a weekend yrs back. He had a pretty nice dog the 1st nite. By the end of the weekend the dog wouldn't leave his feet. He shock the dog for every thing he didn't like. Then couldn't understand why the dog wouldn't hunt.

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Originally posted by River Birch Run
Had a guy come up and hunt with me for a weekend yrs back. He had a pretty nice dog the 1st nite. By the end of the weekend the dog wouldn't leave his feet. He shock the dog for every thing he didn't like. Then couldn't understand why the dog wouldn't hunt.

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Yes, all dogs are not the same. It takes a lot of juice for some hard headed dogs and some will freeze up with just a little.

Thanks for the response. Yes, I'm a coon hunter. I'm training a pretty nice young dog which I haven't done in a while. Also, I am sorta old school and usually would rather correct with the switch when I can rather than the collar. I guess I'm getting old and now find it easier to use the collar. I'm training this young dog with the e-collar to do several things at the same time - which you might disagree with. I'm putting handle on him to come when called, to leave a bad track along after he's spent more time in the same area to my liking, stopping him from running/hunting down the road and occasionally have bumped him from off game. I've been using the tone to get him to "come", the vibrate to "move him" off a track that he
s spend too much time on, use the stimulus to get him off a road and stimulus on off game.

Sometimes I ask myself if I may be working on too many things at once and if I may be confusing him - which is why I posed the question. So far I'm seeing success in everything I'm training him on, but I always like to hear the opinion of others.

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Originally posted by MorAnd
Thanks for the response. Yes, I'm a coon hunter. I'm training a pretty nice young dog which I haven't done in a while. Also, I am sorta old school and usually would rather correct with the switch when I can rather than the collar. I guess I'm getting old and now find it easier to use the collar. I'm training this young dog with the e-collar to do several things at the same time - which you might disagree with. I'm putting handle on him to come when called, to leave a bad track along after he's spent more time in the same area to my liking, stopping him from running/hunting down the road and occasionally have bumped him from off game. I've been using the tone to get him to "come", the vibrate to "move him" off a track that he
s spend too much time on, use the stimulus to get him off a road and stimulus on off game.

Sometimes I ask myself if I may be working on too many things at once and if I may be confusing him - which is why I posed the question. So far I'm seeing success in everything I'm training him on, but I always like to hear the opinion of others.

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In my training I keep it simple...

Tone means COME!
Vibrate means GO!
E-stimulation means NO!