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Posted by adlj on 04-09-2017 03:14 PM:

Automatic Strike Dog?

I've always thought of the phrase as meaning a babbler that can't be caught by the judge because it always seems to eventually get treed. Am I wrong? If so, why would anyone openly advertise a dog for sale in this way? Yes, it can be an advantage in a comp. hunt, but really, who wants an obvious babbler?

Posted by Rip on 04-09-2017 04:16 PM:

Re: Automatic Strike Dog?

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Originally posted by adlj
I've always thought of the phrase as meaning a babbler that can't be caught by the judge because it always seems to eventually get treed. Am I wrong? If so, why would anyone openly advertise a dog for sale in this way? Yes, it can be an advantage in a comp. hunt, but really, who wants an obvious babbler?

Plenty. They are a very good scorecard dog and can win some $$$.

They gotta have a coon at the end though or it won't do a lick of good.

They are still coondogs.

Some of them were trained to do that, some babble naturally.

It is a distinct advantage in any registry that has a time allowed to babble (the minute on turn loose).

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Posted by CHEWBACH on 04-09-2017 05:31 PM:

yep

They are not automatic strike dog until you strike them!! other than that they are just babbling/ ghost tracking/ like a lot people they like hearing themselves . Come to think of it!!Hey Yadkintar where you at!!lol

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Posted by Jim Frederick on 04-09-2017 05:57 PM:

NOT what i would call a coondog I hate them kind

Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-09-2017 06:56 PM:

Re: Automatic Strike Dog?

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Originally posted by adlj
...... If so, why would anyone openly advertise a dog for sale in this way? .....

They are just being truthful about a dog for sale. It is a shame that more people aren't like that.

Posted by yadkintar on 04-09-2017 07:03 PM:

Re: yep

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Originally posted by CHEWBACH
They are not automatic strike dog until you strike them!! other than that they are just babbling/ ghost tracking/ like a lot people they like hearing themselves . Come to think of it!!Hey Yadkintar where you at!!lol

Can't you tell us pot stirrers are on strike it's up to the coon hunting royalty to keep the board moving now lol.

Posted by Rip on 04-09-2017 07:31 PM:

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Originally posted by Jim Frederick
NOT what i would call a coondog I hate them kind

They are not what I like by any means, but if they have a coon at the end then I have no choice but to call them coondogs. Might not be my style but the goal is treeing coons and if they do that consistently then bad as I hate to admit it I have to give em credit for being a coondog.

Same as a silent dog isn't my kind of dog but if they tree coons I gotta call em coondogs LOL.

We all have different likes and dislikes in what we want in a dog though. Not throwing off on you or nothing, just explaining how I can call a babbler a coondog.

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Posted by Will Walker on 04-11-2017 12:24 AM:

Re: Automatic Strike Dog?

quote:
Originally posted by adlj
I've always thought of the phrase as meaning a babbler that can't be caught by the judge because it always seems to eventually get treed. Am I wrong? If so, why would anyone openly advertise a dog for sale in this way? Yes, it can be an advantage in a comp. hunt, but really, who wants an obvious babbler?

Ill take one ! A competition dog doesnt necessarily deem its an honest coon dog. Dogs are bred and trined to fit rules to win. Might not be right but its the truth.

Posted by Teddy23 on 04-11-2017 01:03 AM:

People will take up for anything. Babbling is a fault and should not be accepted or tolerated and a babbler is by no means a coondog. Keep breeding and hunting and bragging on this garbage and see what kind of dogs you will have in 10 years.
But at the same time .. You are the one feeding it.. so if you like them my opinion is just an opinion.

Posted by CHEWBACH on 04-11-2017 01:42 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Teddy23
People will take up for anything. Babbling is a fault and should not be accepted or tolerated and a babbler is by no means a coondog. Keep breeding and hunting and bragging on this garbage and see what kind of dogs you will have in 10 years.
But at the same time .. You are the one feeding it.. so if you like them my opinion is just an opinion.

Before i hit timber! i got to reply!! Yes babbling is a fault also a dog that runs a coon track into a tree and want tree because another dog is there is a fault!! a dog that want tree at all with a dog is a fault!! a dog that blows a mile past 1/2 dozen coon to get treed is a fault!! a dog that is silent is a fault!!dog runs junk is a fault!!rough dog is a fault!!lot thes faults are man made!! this could go on! and on!!But people win withem and they breed toem!! a lot!!!!!!! if they have these faults and are winners!! ooDang i just described every dog i have owned!!!lol

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Posted by msinc on 04-11-2017 03:24 AM:

From what I have seen over the years I think we are talking about two different kinds of dogs....as I see it, a babbler is one thing and the so-called "automatic strike" dog is another. The babbler is kind of obvious...he leaves out barking as soon as he is cut loose and happy barks like an idiot until he either shuts up or gets minus points. Generally this dog will shut up eventually and other dogs will at least have a chance at first strike. He is just mouthing off to be an idiot and mainly because nobody has beaten or shocked that ignorance out of him yet.
The automatic strike dogs as I have known them do not leave barking as soon as they are cut loose, but rather get out there a little ways and wait to start barking until they are at least in the kind of area where a coon is likely to be, such as right on the creek or in a swamp. Sometimes, probably most of the time, an automatic dog opens when he sees the other dogs acting the least bit excited. If another dog starts really working an area hard like he smells something or winds and runs in a certain direction, this is when the automatic dog sees it and opens. They tend to pay more attention to what the other dogs are doing than trying to find a coon themselves.
They can be a problem with a good handler because he will tree the dog just before the real dog doing the work hits the tree and have first strike and first tree. Many a nite champion was made this way.
I cannot stand a dog like that, but there are people that want them so yes they are advertised. In a sense I guess the automatic strike dog is really just a "me-too" dog that has taken it in a direction you can get something out of.

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