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Posted by dean jamerson on 04-01-2017 03:34 PM:

Rules ?

Cast turns loose, after the minute one dog opens three times and is struck, shuts up. Cast advances up on a ridge 100 yards or so and 8 minute rule applied. About 4 or 5 minutes in handler of dog says she is a thousand yards we need to tighten up so I can hear my dog. Do you advance or stay out and finish running 8 where you are?

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-01-2017 03:37 PM:

It is his 8, it is up to him whether you walk or not.

Posted by rob thompson on 04-01-2017 04:23 PM:

Minused for babbling before the 8 was started!

Posted by gpent24 on 04-01-2017 04:24 PM:

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Minused for babbling before the 8 was started!

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Posted by gpent24 on 04-01-2017 04:26 PM:

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Originally posted by rob thompson
Minused for babbling before the 8 was started!

Why would it be minused for babbling if it wasn't struck in under the minute and it opened and then got gone?

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Posted by rob thompson on 04-01-2017 04:27 PM:

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Originally posted by gpent24
Why would it be minused for babbling if it wasn't struck in under the minute and it opened and then got gone?

you are joking right?

Posted by gpent24 on 04-01-2017 04:31 PM:

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Originally posted by rob thompson
you are joking right?

No? Unless I'm not understanding what he said the dog did? If a dog leaves you not barking and then the minute is up and your dog opens three times and then it is 1000 yards away in 4 or 5 minutes, You would have a hard time getting a cast to vote to minus a dog for babbling?

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Posted by rob thompson on 04-01-2017 04:34 PM:

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Originally posted by gpent24
No? Unless I'm not understanding what he said the dog did? If a dog leaves you not barking and then the minute is up and your dog opens three times and then it is 1000 yards away in 4 or 5 minutes, You would have a hard time getting a cast to vote to minus a dog for babbling?

dog struck where no track was evident, that is the rule minute or not! 1000 yards the dog babbled, period. Take your minus like a man.

Posted by gpent24 on 04-01-2017 04:41 PM:

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Originally posted by rob thompson
dog struck where no track was evident, that is the rule minute or not! 1000 yards the dog babbled, period. Take your minus like a man.

This is another one of those judgement calls on what you think the dog is doing. I wouldn't minus one that struck and then the next time they heard them they were that far away. I don't have to worry to often about the 8 with mine anyway. I was just trying to see your logic. Everyone has their own thoughts.

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Posted by snaggles on 04-01-2017 05:12 PM:

for one u can not minus a dog for babbling if struck after the minute. on or before the third bark he has to be struck after the minute. an then the eight is applied. their is no rule that says where that dog has to open during the eight minutes as long as it opens to break the eight. that is not a judgment call unless the dog is struck in under the minute

Posted by gpent24 on 04-01-2017 05:14 PM:

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Originally posted by snaggles
for one u can not minus a dog for babbling if struck after the minute. on or before the third bark he has to be struck after the minute. an then the eight is applied. their is no rule that says where that dog has to open during the eight minutes as long as it opens to break the eight. that is not a judgment call unless the dog is struck in under the minute

I agree and this was what I thought.

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Posted by rob thompson on 04-01-2017 05:16 PM:

Both wrong!

Posted by gpent24 on 04-01-2017 05:18 PM:

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Both wrong!

Well if it was only us 3 in a cast guess it would be a 2-1 vote and I guess the dog wouldn't be taking minus would it lol?

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Posted by yadkintar on 04-01-2017 05:19 PM:

Put the 8 on him walk the 8 don't hear him minus him.

Posted by rob thompson on 04-01-2017 05:23 PM:

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Originally posted by gpent24
Well if it was only us 3 in a cast guess it would be a 2-1 vote and I guess the dog wouldn't be taking minus would it lol?

so you would cheat to keep from taking minus? It's ok, sometimes people have to to help their dog.

Posted by dean jamerson on 04-01-2017 06:12 PM:

I didn't do a good job of explaining what my ? Was, while running 8, handler is watching his Garmin and says my dog is a 1000 yards that way, we need to walk so I can hear her. I didn't think you can use your Garmin to help score a dog.

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Posted by yadkintar on 04-01-2017 06:16 PM:

Ain't much different than walking were you heard one last.

Posted by rob thompson on 04-01-2017 06:16 PM:

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Originally posted by dean jamerson
I didn't do a good job of explaining what my ? Was, while running 8, handler is watching his Garmin and says my dog is a 1000 yards that way, we need to walk so I can hear her. I didn't think you can use your Garmin to help score a dog.

no you messed up by starting the 8 and not misusing the dog. Once you start the eight I wouldn't have a problem walking a couple hundred yards but that's all. You can't score a dog off the Garmin but walking isn't scoring.

Posted by yadkintar on 04-01-2017 06:18 PM:

If your going to try and pop one for babbling you got to do it quick a 1000 yrds in your wasting your time.

Posted by rob thompson on 04-01-2017 06:20 PM:

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Originally posted by yadkintar
If your going to try and pop one for babbling you got to do it quick a 1000 yrds in your wasting your time.

tar he said the dog barked three times shut up and dropped 1000.

Posted by JiM on 04-01-2017 06:34 PM:

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Originally posted by snaggles
for one u can not minus a dog for babbling if struck after the minute. on or before the third bark he has to be struck after the minute. an then the eight is applied. their is no rule that says where that dog has to open during the eight minutes as long as it opens to break the eight. that is not a judgment call unless the dog is struck in under the minute

Sorry Snaggles, but you are wrong on this one. The judge can minus a dog for babbling any time it babbles. Before the minute is up or after the minute is up.

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Posted by JiM on 04-01-2017 06:46 PM:

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Originally posted by rob thompson
no you messed up by starting the 8 and not misusing the dog. Once you start the eight I wouldn't have a problem walking a couple hundred yards but that's all. You can't score a dog off the Garmin but walking isn't scoring.

Dean, Im taking it that your question is whether the judge should instruct the cast to tighten up on a dog because the Garmin shows it out of hearing. On that, UKC has been very clear time and again. The Garmin has absolutely no bearing on the hunt. You cannot walk to a dog out of hearing because the Garmin says he is that direction.
I would handle it the way we did pre-Garmin, if no other dog was struck, we tighten up the direction the judge believes the dogs went. If other dogs are struck and can be heard, you make every attempt to keep THOSE dogs within hearing. The Garmin cannot effect the hunt.

Posted by dean jamerson on 04-01-2017 07:04 PM:

Yes Jim that was what I was asking, but with people standing around eyes glued to Garmin and no dogs barking everybody wants to walk direction the Garmin is pointing. If he wasn't watching Garmin he wouldn't know if dog was 100 yards or a 1000 yards.

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Posted by JiM on 04-01-2017 07:11 PM:

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Originally posted by dean jamerson
Yes Jim that was what I was asking, but with people standing around eyes glued to Garmin and no dogs barking everybody wants to walk direction the Garmin is pointing. If he wasn't watching Garmin he wouldn't know if dog was 100 yards or a 1000 yards.

Exactly! All you can do is remind them that the RULES require you to treat the situation as if the Garmin did not exist.
Anytime someone says "But my Garmin shows........', stop them right there and remind them that as the judge, the Garmin cannot influence you.

Posted by gpent24 on 04-01-2017 07:36 PM:

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Originally posted by rob thompson
so you would cheat to keep from taking minus? It's ok, sometimes people have to to help their dog.

I bet if your dog doesn't strike first then obviously the other dog babbled huh?

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