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Posted by sheepster on 05-12-2007 07:32 AM:

Poll: which is the better dog???

Allright folks, I got a question for you guys. I'm gonna desrcribe two different dogs for yall and you tell me which dog YOU WOULD RATHER OWN.

Dog "A" and Dog "B" are EXACTLY THE SAME except for a couple differneces. Dog "A" is a pressure tree dog. He will not pull for anything. Dogs can be running track all around him or treed close by, he doesn't care, he's there to stay. In all Honesty, he averages about 60 - 70% on accuracy. You will see a coon about 6 or 7 out of every 10 trees. Now for Dog "B". Dog "B" is not gonna stay treed through all kinds of pressure. If a dog trees hard close by he's liable to leave and go check out the other dog. If a hot track is being ran in his area he is subject to leave the tree. Dog "B" stays treed fine by himself or with other dogs treeing with him. Dog "B" is , in all Honesty, 90% accurate. If he gets treed and stays you will see a coon in 9 out of every 10 trees. Everything else about these dogs is exactly the same. Everything else. The dogs are 4 years old. Which dog would you rather own????

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Posted by mike shannon on 05-12-2007 09:02 AM:

i picked A

there already is to many "me too" dogs out there. With the B dog he may join in on something other than a coon race. Is dog A slick treeing on small trees or just misses on good trees?

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Posted by sheepster on 05-12-2007 12:48 PM:

Re: i picked A

quote:
Originally posted by mike shannon
there already is to many "me too" dogs out there. With the B dog he may join in on something other than a coon race. Is dog A slick treeing on small trees or just misses on good trees?

Dog "B" is a super fast track dog, needs no help whatsoever to tree a coon, the dog just has big ears when he's treed and will pull to go see what another dog is doing. Dog "A" is missing on obvious slick trees.

Posted by josh on 05-12-2007 12:53 PM:

Dog A has a fault I can work on.

Dog B has a fault I cant.

Posted by Bill(Chew) on 05-12-2007 12:55 PM:

For competition I'd rather have dog A.

For pleasure I'd much rather have dog B.

I've had both kinds over the years and dog B will not work good in a competition huntunless all dogs stay treed. Dog A will do well in competition with some leaves on the trees.

I hate going to treed HOPING to see a coon, I love going to trees EXPECTING to see a coon.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 05-12-2007 01:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by josh
Dog A has a fault I can work on.

Dog B has a fault I cant.

if you can whip 1 off can you whip one on?
i hunt cliffs so if dog b will hold hunted by
himself that would be my choice but iam
dout he will hold either way.

Posted by John Carroll on 05-12-2007 01:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by josh
Dog A has a fault I can work on.

Dog B has a fault I cant.

That is about as well as it can be said.

I love accurate tree dogs, and have them.

But sometimes a dog trees too many slicks because his owner lets him get by with it.

That said, there are idiots out there that can't be fixed, but there are a lot more dogs that could be if somebody would put the shoe leather and hickory tea into them.

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Posted by James200 on 05-12-2007 01:33 PM:

I wouldn't wasted my time the last two years feeding either. Although...there are people in the world who can be happy with both.

Sheep, is dog "A"= Walker...Dog "B" = BOOtick?

Posted by Donnie Stevens on 05-12-2007 01:50 PM:

I wouldn't feed or breed dog B.

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Posted by swamp music on 05-12-2007 03:06 PM:

If i had a choice it would be neither one. but if i had to get one of them it would be dog b. because i hate slick treeing dogs, there's two many all ready out there. some breeders are breeding for dogs that if a bird farts the dogs are going to tree it. a least dog b is accurate. because if my dog trees he better have a coon up the tree.
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Posted by mjflores on 05-12-2007 03:10 PM:

they both sound like junk to me

Posted by Autumn Clements on 05-12-2007 04:12 PM:

how about neither ...

I want to see the coon most of the time when I go in and if a dogs gonna leave they better not be leavin to go to another dog

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Posted by Melanie H. on 05-12-2007 07:02 PM:

Well if I HAD to take one it would probably dog A.. At least for a short time.. We guide in the winter and if I have dog A and B out their treed real close to me, regardless if A has the cat or not.. Dog B better d@mn well hold his tree if he's got the paycheck sitting in it... I can deal with a slightly slick dog, depending on age or how many times he has gotten his @ss kicked for it... After all that and he is still missing that much, he is joining dog B in the bone pile and I am starting over!

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Posted by elvis on 05-12-2007 07:35 PM:

if you see a coon on the outside in 6 or 7 out of every ten trees you make,youve got a dang good competition dog or pleasure dog.

it amazes me how accurate these internet dogs are. its just a dang shame that as soon as i walk behind one for a year the percentage goes way down. how many out there have ever kept a log on each dog they hunt and record how many trees the dog makes and how many have a real live coon in it in over a years time?
you can vastly improve the percentage if you only hunt the dog in good conditions and take him home when the coon "lay up"or the fog settles in. if you only hunt him when it fits his "style" you can sure brag on what an accurate outfit you have,but hunt one hard enough to make 1000 trees in one calander year and then see what the percentage of them had a live coon in them that you saw.
dog A sounds like the real deal to me,and would be a pleasure to hunt.
dog B wouldnt need to worry about me keeping a log on him for more than a week. i thought we had culled all those weak treedogs years ago.

Posted by Russell Boyette on 05-12-2007 07:35 PM:

Re: Poll: which is the better dog???

quote:
Originally posted by sheepster
Allright folks, I got a question for you guys. I'm gonna desrcribe two different dogs for yall and you tell me which dog YOU WOULD RATHER OWN.

Dog "A" and Dog "B" are EXACTLY THE SAME except for a couple differneces. Dog "A" is a pressure tree dog. He will not pull for anything. Dogs can be running track all around him or treed close by, he doesn't care, he's there to stay. In all Honesty, he averages about 60 - 70% on accuracy. You will see a coon about 6 or 7 out of every 10 trees. Now for Dog "B". Dog "B" is not gonna stay treed through all kinds of pressure. If a dog trees hard close by he's liable to leave and go check out the other dog. If a hot track is being ran in his area he is subject to leave the tree. Dog "B" stays treed fine by himself or with other dogs treeing with him. Dog "B" is , in all Honesty, 90% accurate. If he gets treed and stays you will see a coon in 9 out of every 10 trees. Everything else about these dogs is exactly the same. Everything else. The dogs are 4 years old. Which dog would you rather own????

In all honesty, it sounds like dog B is not 90% accurate. Do you think that the reason Dog B leaves is because he/she doesnt have the coon??? If Dog B has a coon and leaves it to go run to another dog, then it is more worthless than a dog that slick trees.

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Posted by Russell Boyette on 05-12-2007 07:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
if you see a coon on the outside in 6 or 7 out of every ten trees you make,youve got a dang good competition dog or pleasure dog.

it amazes me how accurate these internet dogs are. its just a dang shame that as soon as i walk behind one for a year the percentage goes way down. how many out there have ever kept a log on each dog they hunt and record how many trees the dog makes and how many have a real live coon in it in over a years time?
you can vastly improve the percentage if you only hunt the dog in good conditions and take him home when the coon "lay up"or the fog settles in. if you only hunt him when it fits his "style" you can sure brag on what an accurate outfit you have,but hunt one hard enough to make 1000 trees in one calander year and then see what the percentage of them had a live coon in them that you saw.
dog A sounds like the real deal to me,and would be a pleasure to hunt.
dog B wouldnt need to worry about me keeping a log on him for more than a week. i thought we had culled all those weak treedogs years ago.

I agree. Something i have seen from buddies who claim to have 90+% coondogs is that they might only tree one coon per night. One theat comes to mind is a particular hunt with a friend. 1st turn out... Dog strikes, opening pretty hot and turns into what sounds like a bad track. The dog locates a time or two then quits. He is called out. 2nd turn out, Dog turned loose, gets deep and bobbles around for about an hour and comes back in. 3rd turn out. Dog is turned out, strikes red hot, and falls treed about 150 yards away. He has the meat.

Here is where my friend and i differ on %'s. He claims the dog made 1 tree and had 1 coon therefore the dog was 100% accurate that night.

My thoughts are the dog struck 3 tracks and only finished one of them with the meat therefore i say 1 out of 3 is 33% accurate.

The way i look at it, a dog quiting a track because it cant get the coon treed is just as bad as a dog that just fall treed beac use it cant find where the coon is at.

Posted by bandithunter on 05-12-2007 07:51 PM:

I don't want either one, they both got flaws I cannot abide.

Posted by tx slick tree on 05-12-2007 09:27 PM:

sheep you better buy dog A. dog B will have you walkin around allnight if you got a babblin running dog he never will stayed treed.

Posted by sheepster on 05-12-2007 09:56 PM:

These are not even real dogs, there just for instance. Thanks guys for your input.

Posted by Redwood Hounds on 05-12-2007 11:04 PM:

I myself would take B over A. I for one like hunting alone and with one or two dogs... A dog that pulls of a tree, give it good boot leather or some electricity when you hear it leave, like you would a false treein fool, and I bet you could get that dog staying at trees easier than curbing the slicks. JMO.

I've seen and owned dogs like A & B.

I also have a dog "C" he's exactly the same as A & B but has the meat 90% of the time, and when he tree's he's deaf, to dogs or anything else, he'll be there all night. I'm sure even longer, but it's only taken me 6 hours to get to him one time in the bottom of a canyon, but I don't think he would have went anywhere anyways.

Dogs A & B were both coonhound bred dogs from back east. Dog C was bred here in CA from beardog lines with a little shot of coondog... I think thats the difference between big game hunters and comp hunters, or even pleasure coon hunters. Those 'faults' you think you can fix being bred into the dogs, instead of just removing it from the gene pool.

I still think Big Game hunters are most ready to cull. There's no covering up faults, trying to train something into them that isn't there when it comes to these dogs. Out here you can't just put titles on em and retire them to the breeding pen at 2 years old and tell stories about what kind of dog they were 10 years down the road.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 05-13-2007 12:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
if you see a coon on the outside in 6 or 7 out of every ten trees you make,youve got a dang good competition dog or pleasure dog.

it amazes me how accurate these internet dogs are. its just a dang shame that as soon as i walk behind one for a year the percentage goes way down. how many out there have ever kept a log on each dog they hunt and record how many trees the dog makes and how many have a real live coon in it in over a years time?
you can vastly improve the percentage if you only hunt the dog in good conditions and take him home when the coon "lay up"or the fog settles in. if you only hunt him when it fits his "style" you can sure brag on what an accurate outfit you have,but hunt one hard enough to make 1000 trees in one calander year and then see what the percentage of them had a live coon in them that you saw.
dog A sounds like the real deal to me,and would be a pleasure to hunt.
dog B wouldnt need to worry about me keeping a log on him for more than a week. i thought we had culled all those weak treedogs years ago.

I'm with you Elvis. I dont live in a fantasy world !!!!!!!! I hunt all year long and give me one i see 7 out of 10 and I'll show most folks up.

Posted by David Boggs on 05-13-2007 03:59 AM:

would not breed to eather,but if i had to pick one it would be a becals you can work on slick trees with a shock coller,but if i was you i would breed to a COON DOG that i see with my owen eyes becals i am a huntter that likes coon dogs,i would never breed just 4 a pedigree becals papers dont tree coon,so breed to one you see in the woods several times that is a true coon dog,and make sure you hunt with it if the owener will not take you huntting i would look ealswhere 4 a stud,

Posted by J. Hill on 05-13-2007 04:04 AM:

Re: i

quote:
Originally posted by ky huntter
would not breed to eather,but if i had to pick one it would be a becals you can work on slick trees with a shock coller,but if i was you i would breed to a COON DOG that i see with my owen eyes becals i am a huntter that likes coon dogs,i would never breed just 4 a pedigree becals papers dont tree coon,so breed to one you see in the woods several times that is a true coon dog,and make sure you hunt with it if the owener will not take you huntting i would look ealswhere 4 a stud,

ill go with this answer

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Posted by cripple_creek on 05-13-2007 04:22 AM:

i agree with ELVIS... i wish i could see a coon in 70% of the trees i look up... sure, in the winter with no leaves we MIGHT make 4 trees in one night and see 4 ring tails.. but even in the winter there are still lots of juniper trees with vines in them... I have made many trees in my life and i just don't believe the average is even 60%.. i can't say anything about some of you guys seeing 70% because i have never had the pleasure of hunting where the woods are open and the trees are thin... in south AL or nw FL the swamps are very thick.. the tops of the trees are matted together... and many times you tree where you can see a hole.. but the one thing i hate more than anything else... if he calls that tree and says "here he is guys", he **** well better stay till i get there.... if all i wanted was to hear the race i would buy me a bunch of walkers and go to the fox pens..

talkin about fox walkers guys.. not knockin anyones walker dog here

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Posted by BRYAN J on 05-13-2007 05:19 AM:

I want a dog to stay. If the dog commits to a tree it shouldnt leave. Have to have a stay put tree dog at my house! I want to see a coon but I sure dont want him going to another dog running or treeing! If they dont stay then they don't stay at my kennel

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