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Question for the more experienced trainers

My buddy has a young gyp coming 3 in Jan. When hunted with a strange dog to her she hunts out good. Pays no attention to what the other dog does. Trees a ton of coon when hunted this way.

But hunt her with a dog she's hunted with a couple of times and she'll me too. And dog track. Acts retarded to be honest. She'll just follow the other dog around. Won't hunt very good. She could be 600 yards in opposite direction of the dog and if it gets struck she'll drop what she's doing and go join in, even if she's struck.

Now if you cut her by herself she won't go more than 300 yards. Will tree coon but also makes a bunch of dens. And will tree lay ups. As long as she gets struck within that 300 yards. Has gone out further. But not on a consistent basis.
What we're wondering is, what clicks in her head when she's hunted with strange dogs. Why won't she hunt that way more often. Or with dogs she's hunted with some. This has been this way for about 9 months to a year.

It's a confidence issue.

Hunt her alone.

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The only reason at least I don't think it's a lack of confidence is she can go out and tree coon when hunted with a strange dog or alone. Would like her to hunt deeper alone. She definitely isn't anit-social. But it has me boggled why after she's been hunt with the strange dog she looses all of her independence. Now he doesn't want a complete loaner nor does he want to train for it. Just looking for some insight on why she has an issue with hunting with dogs she's familiar with.

I don't know if this is the case or not but sometimes we recognize patterns that are not really there. What I'm saying is maybe she did really well a few times with a strange dog and you just noticed it. The question is has she ever looked good in the same ways with dogs she knows? And how many dogs does she hunt with that she knows? How many times has she hunted with dogs she doesn't know and was this the case every time?

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She has looked good with dogs she knows but not on a consistent basis. She'll look really good sometimes and not others. She's been hunted with strange dogs quite a bit, 3-4 times a month. And everytime you cut her loose with strange dogs she gets to herself and trees coons. Doesn't matter what the other dogs are doing. She pays no attention to them. I do know if you hunt her with a dog 4+ times she will start to me too, and dog track.

He's hunted her alone for 3-4 months. Then he'll hunt her with other dogs some. I don't own this dog. Not partners on her or anything. I've noticed this pattern with her in the past 6-8 months. At the end of kill season last year she looked pretty good.

sounds to me she is a bit shy?

Not shy in a bad way? But , wants to bond with others? Just takes her a bit to feel comfortable?

From what little you have said, I am guessing that all the other dogs that she has been hunted with, are straight and tree coons?

Has she been hunted with a dog the number of times you say it takes for her to click with them, that is a slick treeing idiot? Or a junking dog? If so does she still go along with them on all that?

Seems she has confidence as she trees her own? When hunting with the strange dog the first few times?


If you hunt her with a idiot the said amount of times , and she does the same? I would guess she is just shy , and wants to bond after she has gotten to know the NEW dog?

If she goes with the idiot? Might just be her social skills?

If she don't? Could be she wants to warm up too, and be social with the ones she trusts?

Lots of options there aren't there? LOL!

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SEEMS TO ME SHE WAS TIMET ALL HER LIFE.GOT ONE LIKE THAT TRACK AND TREES BUT JUST LIKE HIS MOTHER timet not gun shy but always extra friendly but is allway lacking. SOMETHING .LESSON I LEARNED NEVER BREED TO TIMET DOG BECAUSE YOU GET THE SAME THING IN THE PUPS.NO BIGGY I WILL KEEP HIM.LISTENS WELL .ONLY MY OPINION .

Not all of the strange dogs could tree Coon. Most could but not all. Some were young dogs that were cranking good. Some were older dogs that are straight. Some were old dogs that were trashy. It very well could be that she's shy the way you described it. It's just it doesn't matter what the other dog does if it's a strange dog, could be a poodle or any house dog and she'll go tree Coon after Coon. And she looks really good on those nights.
I'm wondering if she just isn't lazy. Doesn't want to do the work. But has a trust issue with strange dogs. I've told my buddy to keep her alone for a longer stretch then evaluate. And if she's not what he wants try a different dog.

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Novicane65 I think your last line about sums up the reality what most should do.

Your question is a good one and heck we are hound hunters and we love to try and figure out what makes them tick and fix the ticking if we can. Bottom line, other that some good conversation that is all that comes from these situations and your advice in your last line is what we need to do. It really is the best advice after you try a few things and you don't see them working up to your standards.

I see our hounds do a lot of crazy things dogs didn't do in the past and it makes me scratch my head.

First thing I think is when someone tells me a dog goes from looking good one night to a few nights later acting like a different dog, is the feed times or another word for it, conditions. Coon generally move differently from night to night. You hit the coon moving with a dog one night and they pop them up. Same dog but maybe you don't realize the inexperience in tracking it has and another night on colder tracks it perform badly. We have to realize that we are taking the same dog night after night but conditions change from one night to another and one month to another. It seems like these dogs are getting a lot of quirks in them and it shows up with conditions or feed times changing just a little. It is like it is more hot or cold with them and just not a middle road. How many of you guys have started out early and had a poor night up till say just after midnight and then the dogs look like different dogs and they are treeing coon everywhere. If you would have went home at midnight you would be wonder about your dogs. You stayed all night and realized the conditions just wasn't right for your dogs ability early in the night. But anytime the dog doesn't live up to your standards, then your advice of moving on is some we need to take seriously and more need to act upon.

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I agree Bruce. My buddy likes the dog to a point. And hates certain things she does. Like dog tracking. And I can say I don't like it either. But if you wanted a patch woods type dog, this one would be a good one for that.
My dog on the other hand isn't too much of patch woods type. She'll get deep if that is what is needed to tree one. But can tree them close ones too. Talking about trying to pattern a dog. I can say mine will be at the first tree with the others on the first drop. After that she breaks off and gets to herself. Like she measures up the other dogs. And is gone from there on out. I've seen this everytime I've hunted with other dogs. Only way she's with another dog after first tree, is if it backs her.
And I think part of what my buddy is seeking is a dog like mine. And what he's leading isn't it.