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Posted by Bullet on 09-05-2003 12:48 AM:

Question about Stud Dog Hunt in Ill.

I was just wandering why this stud dog hunt is on the same weekend as the Zone semi-finals? I woulda possibly attended this stud dog hunt but I have a dog qualified to hunt that weekend. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe these guys didn't have anything qualified and didn't want anyone to bring a dog that was good enough to be qualified. Thinned out the competiton maybe??? Just a guess. What is everyone's opinion on this?

Posted by Mark A. Hauck on 09-05-2003 12:56 AM:

Bullet, you might want to hold back some!!!!!!

Those dogs you are talking about don't mess with the World hunt or should I say you will see them at the PKC World Championship. These dogs have won some major money and so have some of their offspring. Afraid of Competition...Hehehe...I don't think so, but come try them out. I think you'll find out they are leading dog power....and lots of it !!!!!

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Posted by nitechamp bud on 09-05-2003 01:33 AM:

well i hope they have better luck in Ill. than they did at the stud dog hunt in bethany,Mo. i hunted with four big name stud dogs each cast by themselves and only seen one coon. i'll say one thing though, those guy have alot of guts to turn their dogs loose in front of a big crowd of people knowing everybody is judging them. i't may have just been a bad night when i was there but i was still disapointed to be in top coon country with the worlds top hounds and only see one coon.

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Posted by Bullet on 09-05-2003 03:03 AM:

Why Then Mark?

Well then tell me why they scheduled it that weekend then??? Oh yeah by the way the last time I checked you can win lots of money in PKC with a dog that can't hardly tree a coon. Not saying these dogs are this way but it is true. At least in UKC you gotta score on coons to win. That circle and least minus crap winning casts and getting paid don't prove anything to me. So don't talk that PKC junk to me. I just asked a question but I musta hit a nerve. And I have hunted in that Shawnee National Forest up in Ill. where folks hunt it to death. Treed five coon up there in one night wilh my old Dual Grand. So I know coon up there are hard to tree but I got the dog power to tree them there too.

Posted by Mark A. Hauck on 09-05-2003 05:15 AM:

No nerve here Bullet, those are Walkers and I own Blueticks, but I do know some of them folks and hard hunters they are. As for the UKC-PKC thing, believe what you want, I hunt both and don't make no bones about it. I like UKC hunts and titles, like most of the rules, I also like PKC hunts and love the fact that if my cast gets put in a crap hole and yours goes to the honey hole if we both win our cast we get the opportunity to hunt against each other later that night if we choose.

Now, win lots of money on minus and circle points!!! Maybe at your little local club hunt but at the major events you might get your entry and a few more bucks back, but to get in the top four you gotta tree COON, and don't give that lame ole excuss that all, most or even a large number of cast in PKC are won with minus points.

I hunted PKC in NC for many years and I never won a cast or was on a cast that did not tree 1 or 2 coon during the hunt. Same here in Illinois, run them out of my kennel and we have points, so that excuss don't get it, and all my cast at the SS and the World were won with plus points. I suppose someone might win a cast once in a while on circle points, maybe even minus points, but I'd say more like 1 out of 10 maybe even 20 are that way, the rest are scoring coons.

Does that make it any better than UKC.....NOPE, just the fact that winning your cast does get you something, sometimes
But winning your cast with 500+ in NT CH and coming in to wait for the last cast who has a one dog cast with 1000+ gets you a long ride home with nothing. You did your best and thats all you can do, but you still have nothing to show for it other than putting money into someone elses bank account.

AS for treeing coon in the Shawnee forest, just depends where you go, but I'd say they got some nice river bottoms and corn fields to hunt in so it should be better than out in MO. Dogs are dogs, good one night not as good the next. Hey, if you win the UKC world hunt, maybe next year you'll get an invite

Posted by Bullet on 09-05-2003 07:26 AM:

Invite?

If I'm not mistaken it was an "OPEN" invitation publicly in American Cooner. But, like I said, I would rather give my dog a chance at winning in the registry that you have to win by having a "coondog". Where if you tree a possum you are done. You don't get to go back and hunt against the "coon dogs" just because you took 4th strike and 4th tree on that possum. And where you are done if your dog gets caught being agressive. PKC in my area is fading fast. PKA is the alternative to UKC here. Now at an added purse PKC hunt in my area it's hard to fill two casts. I'm not saying mosts cast are won in PKC with minus or cirlcle but I know for a fact many of them are. My main concern and question still has not been answered yet.....Why have this hunt the same weekend as the UKC Zone Semi-Finals???? I don't care to get into any more registry discussions, just want an answer on this question. Until I get one that is legitimate I will continue to assume what I stated in my original post.

Posted by Little on 09-05-2003 01:32 PM:

Bullet, I would imagine you live in the western part of the state if you have PKA hunts because there is not any in my part of the state. As far as our PKC hunts, our club numbers have held steady over the past year while our UKC hunts have dropped off considerably. I know the economy is bad, but it appears to have hurt our UKC hunts worse than PKC hunts. Most people prefer to win money over a trophy. I applaude UKC for starting to pay their winners with the performance program. Sometimes in PKC hunts, minus or circle does win, but somebody has to win that cast and take that money. Might as well be the dog that did the least wrong. Like Mark, I can count on one hand the hunts I've been to where anything other than plus points won a PKC cast. It doesn't happen that often, even in the summer with the leaves on. I enjoy hunting UKC and PKC hunts and have drawn good casts in both and hope that continues.

Posted by on 09-05-2003 02:58 PM:

Assume whatever you want Bullet, it don't sound like you'd have much fun anyway. I have no idea why those guys picked the date they picked, maybe that was just what worked out for most of them. But if you think Jim Merchant or Frank Giddings is afraid to show what they got against or with anything anybodys got, you are wrong. Giddings and his son hunt their stud dogs every night and they hunt them with whatever shows up before dark.

Posted by Larry Atherton on 09-05-2003 03:10 PM:

Stud Dog Hunt

I don't know all the guys at the stud dog hunt, but I do know Frank and Robbie. Jim is right. They will turn dogs loose any time. If anyone doubts what their dogs do, just call Frank and say you would like to come up for a hunt. He will invite you up. He will treat you with respect. He will not talk his dogs up, but he will say I'll show you what they will do. Then he will show you what several pups out of his stud dogs will do. He will not make any excuses.

The only thing I would say is expect to hunt all night because that is just how Frank hunts.

Trust me Bullet, what you purpose just isn't true.

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Posted by ronald schultz on 09-05-2003 03:51 PM:

stud hunt

when and where is this stud hunt

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