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Posted by gunslinger266 on 02-24-2015 08:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by NiteHeat
youre a derelict who cant even put a sentence together. You comparing your hick family fighting birds means NOTHING and has NOTHING to do with being a houndsman. You and your kind have hurt country ways and hunting by keeping and fighting those birds. Youre no different than the thug that fights pitbulls. In fact, in my eyes youre even worse because you have hounds. I wish they would have hooked up your trailer and took you away when they took your birds too. Youre no redneck martyr, youre the lowest of the low.

You sir are as dangerous to this country as HSUS and PETA put together, you think your convictions trump someones rights makes you as communist as Putin.

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Posted by Tailkicker on 02-24-2015 08:22 PM:

Just seen a post on a "friends" FB page where they donated monthly to HSUS... until they found out where their money wasn't going. This person is an animal lover and supporter of PETA. They stopped sending their checks and started supporting locally at county humane societies.

Anything HSUS does is for their own personal agenda and gain.

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Posted by NiteHeat on 02-24-2015 09:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by gunslinger266
You sir are as dangerous to this country as HSUS and PETA put together, you think your convictions trump someones rights makes you as communist as Putin.

As someone who farms, has livestock and works with (and help funds) my local board....you have no earthly idea what youre talking about. If you think owning and fighting game birds is a RIGHT then you dont deserve to free cast a hound

Posted by NiteHeat on 02-24-2015 09:29 PM:

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Originally posted by gunslinger266
One thing people dont realize is that if it wasnt for legitimate dog men of old there wouldn't even be a pit bull. What we have forgotten is that this is America and it isn't no ones business what someone does with his property. Fighting dogs and chickens have been around longer than hounds and some great men have handled both. The real problem is this politically correct world we live in and the glorifying of this hip hop society that has created a generation of thugs with no sense of tradition or patriotism. George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin all were avid cockers. Dog fighting went on in Europe centurys ago and has been in the U.S. since the first Staffordshires were brought here about the time of the civil war.

The HSUS is nothing more than a propaganda machine to generate dollars for their own pockets, they dont even own a facility to house an animal yet they take in over 100 million a year in donations. Alot of folks in this country find hunting and killing animals distasteful as you put it and would love to see it stamped out too.

What a great way of thinking. "Our forefathers dun it! Why cant we, hyuck!" If you cant understand how that is a dangerous way of thinking then there is absolutely no hope for you.

Posted by GA DAWG on 02-24-2015 09:58 PM:

I guess it all depends on how each of us were raised. I dont know. When I was coming up. Everybody around had game chickens. So guess what happened to me I still free cast hounds to aint a man on here big enough or tough enough to keep me from it. Now chickens? Not so much. I gave all that up buy I do not have a problem with it. This thread is about ukc supporting the tree huggers though. Not gamefowl.

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Posted by gunslinger266 on 02-24-2015 11:26 PM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NiteHeat
What a great way of thinking. "Our forefathers dun it! Why cant we, hyuck!" If you cant understand how that is a dangerous way of thinking then there is absolutely no hope for you. [/QUO

You dont bother me a bit comrade just because you seem to do good things dont mean your thinking is right. Your way of thinking is the same thinking that says get rid of guns because they kill people.

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Posted by blackflagginit on 02-25-2015 03:11 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by NiteHeat
What a great way of thinking. "Our forefathers dun it! Why cant we, hyuck!" If you cant understand how that is a dangerous way of thinking then there is absolutely no hope for you.

that's exactly what HSUS thinks about you hunting with hounds.

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Posted by Skinner back on 02-25-2015 03:30 AM:

When I was a kid I used to fight preying mantas bugs. Guess there never was any hope for me. I thought it was cool. And I think chicken fighting is cool too. I also donate to my local humane society . And I love to coon hunt.what a mess I am.

Posted by krazyassndn on 02-25-2015 01:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by NiteHeat
What a great way of thinking. "Our forefathers dun it! Why cant we, hyuck!" If you cant understand how that is a dangerous way of thinking then there is absolutely no hope for you.

guess this guy hasn't ever seen two game fowl together they will fight to the death without anyones help but if we don't all stand together on all things they will take us out one at a time so stand back and laugh keyboard warrior cause the next thing there going to get might just be your favorite thing to do I don't like trapping but I will never vote for it to be gone cause I would like for the trappers to help the houndsmen out if we was to get voted out

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Posted by Rocketman55 on 02-25-2015 01:42 PM:

Krazyassndn

You are Oh so very right on all points. We need to stop this nit picking between membership because bills such as 154 will eventually get to each of our doors on something we like to enjoy.

There is a reason this bill and all other dog fighting bills are written vaguely. That is so when the time is right, they can sharpen their pencil and go after what ever sport they choose.

God Bless, and lets all stand COUNTRY STRONG on this issue!!

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Posted by krazyassndn on 02-25-2015 01:49 PM:

that's what Im talking about rocketman I know two guys that don't even fight chickens that have been arrested for having the birds there wasn't any law against owning them but if you have them that just like fighting them they make the laws the way they want so they can do what they want when you put a animal over human life there is something wrong and the police come in with guns in peoples faces so they can and will do anything if we don't stand together if the law is to stop dog fighting then put it as such not this round robin way and yes I know the law already reads that way but change it to read right

Posted by Tailkicker on 02-25-2015 02:49 PM:

KENTUCKY PENAL CODE KRS 525.125
525.125 Cruelty to animals in the first degree.
(1) The following persons are guilty of cruelty to animals in the first degree
whenever a four-legged animal is caused to fight for pleasure or profit:
(a) The owner of the animal;
(b) The owner of the property on which the fight is conducted if the owner
knows of the fight;
(c) Anyone who participates in the organization of the fight.
(2) Activities of animals engaged in hunting, field trials, dog training, and other
activities authorized either by a hunting license or by the Department of Fish
and Wildlife shall not constitute a violation of this section.
(3) Cruelty to animals in the first degree is a Class D felony.
Effective:July 14, 1992

The amendment:
Any person who knowingly owns, possesses, keeps, breeds, trains, sells, or otherwise transfers a four-legged animal for the purpose of that animal or its offspring being used to fight for pleasure or profit is guilty of cruelty to animals in the first degree.

The Amendment is redundant to sections already in Law.

Who is guilty?

The owner - The amendment adds that; Knowingly owns - guilty of animal cruelty in the first degree
The owner of the property - The amendment adds that; possesses, keeps
Anyone who participates - The amendment adds that; possesses, keeps, breeds, trains, sells, or otherwise transfers - guilty of animal cruelty in the first degree

Which begs the question why the amendment(s) were even added.

quote:

Other amendments considered:

HFA (1, J. Fischer) - Specify that cruelty to animals in the first degree only applies to canine or porcine animals, rather than all four-legged animals.

HFA (2, J. Hoover) - Delete "four-legged" from KRS 525.125 on cruelty to animals in the first degree to make all animal fighting activities a Class D felony, not just four-legged fighting; amend KRS 525.130 to conform, leaving vending and spectating at animal fights as a Class A misdemeanor.

HFA (3, J. Bell) - Specify that the hunting exception includes hunting hogs and bears.

Jan 8-introduced in House
Jan 9-to Judiciary (H)
Feb 3-posting waived
Feb 4-reported favorably, 1st reading, to Calendar; floor amendment (1) filed
Feb 5-2nd reading, to Rules; floor amendment (2) filed ; taken from Rules; placed in the Orders of the Day
Feb 11-floor amendment (1) withdrawn
Feb 12-floor amendment (3) filed

The third amendment is probably most alarming as that would mean that these activities are not currently covered.... why would they need to add it.

Personally I would like to see the law amended to:

(1) The following persons are guilty of cruelty to animals in the first degree
whenever a canine is caused to fight another canine for pleasure or profit:
(a) The owner of the animal;
(b) The owner of the property on which the fight is conducted if the owner
knows of the fight;
(c) Anyone who participates in the organization of the fight.
(2) Cruelty to animals in the first degree is a Class D felony.

To me, (excluding our activities as hunters, competitors and hound enthusiasts) this is a bad bill. The bill will allow an elevated liberal action by law enforcement, giving more authority to them and, IMO, a more subjective evaluation of animals, property and circumstance. They would not have to catch the perps in the act... just be suspect.

If I own a Pit registered by UKC, I think that I would worried about this bill. If I breed a dog and the offspring are sold legally. that person that bought the animal could involve the animal in fighting activities... this bill makes me accountable to animal cruelty. Your word that, "I didn't know they were going to use the dog for fighting", probably won't hold up in court. Why would you want to put your customers through that mess.

Todd, you mentioned that you don't know how bills are written, or what it takes to add amendments. Well, we have our President Doug Morgan every week in Frankfort working with Reps and Senators on bills. He Lobbies for changes for Houndsmen and canine owners. Shooting him a letter along with other registries, gives him clout in negotiating OUR (UKC and Houndsmen) stance on the issue.

Posted by high ridge on 02-25-2015 03:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tailkicker
KENTUCKY PENAL CODE KRS 525.125
525.125 Cruelty to animals in the first degree.
(1) The following persons are guilty of cruelty to animals in the first degree
whenever a four-legged animal is caused to fight for pleasure or profit:
(a) The owner of the animal;
(b) The owner of the property on which the fight is conducted if the owner
knows of the fight;
(c) Anyone who participates in the organization of the fight.
(2) Activities of animals engaged in hunting, field trials, dog training, and other
activities authorized either by a hunting license or by the Department of Fish
and Wildlife shall not constitute a violation of this section.
(3) Cruelty to animals in the first degree is a Class D felony.
Effective:July 14, 1992

The amendment:
Any person who knowingly owns, possesses, keeps, breeds, trains, sells, or otherwise transfers a four-legged animal for the purpose of that animal or its offspring being used to fight for pleasure or profit is guilty of cruelty to animals in the first degree.

The Amendment is redundant to sections already in Law.

Who is guilty?

The owner - The amendment adds that; Knowingly owns - guilty of animal cruelty in the first degree

The owner of the property - The amendment adds that; possesses, keeps

Anyone who participates - The amendment adds that; possesses, keeps, breeds, trains, sells, or otherwise transfers - guilty of animal cruelty in the first degree

Which begs the question why the amendment(s) were even added.

The third amendment is probably most alarming as that would mean that these activities are not currently covered.... why would they need to add it.

Personally I would like to see the law amended to:

(1) The following persons are guilty of cruelty to animals in the first degree
whenever a canine is caused to fight another canine for pleasure or profit:
(a) The owner of the animal;
(b) The owner of the property on which the fight is conducted if the owner
knows of the fight;
(c) Anyone who participates in the organization of the fight.
(2) Cruelty to animals in the first degree is a Class D felony.

To me, (excluding our activities as hunters, competitors and hound enthusiasts) this is a bad bill. The bill will allow an elevated liberal action by law enforcement, giving more authority to them and, IMO, a more subjective evaluation of animals, property and circumstance. They would not have to catch the perps in the act... just be suspect.

If I own a Pit registered by UKC, I think that I would worried about this bill. If I breed a dog and the offspring are sold legally. that person that bought the animal could involve the animal in fighting activities... this bill makes me accountable to animal cruelty. Your word that, "I didn't know they were going to use the dog for fighting", probably won't hold up in court. Why would you want to put your customers through that mess.

Todd, you mentioned that you don't know how bills are written, or what it takes to add amendments. Well, we have our President Doug Morgan every week in Frankfort working with Reps and Senators on bills. He Lobbies for changes for Houndsmen and canine owners. Shooting him a letter along with other registries, gives him clout in negotiating OUR (UKC and Houndsmen) stance on the issue.

GREAT POST

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Posted by Chiggers on 02-25-2015 04:57 PM:

I Love my dogs too, but I don't love your dogs any more than I love a coon, a hog or a coyote, thank the Lord that Fish and Wildlife don't let People make pets out of coons, the bleeding hearts would cry, cry, cry about coon hunting.

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Posted by Bolden1 on 02-26-2015 04:06 PM:

Wow

This has turn into houndsmen fighting against one another. We got to stick together if we want to free cast our dogs in the future in any state further more ky. Ky for a fact is the king at twisting the law into the way where which side has the most money. The humane society is loaded with money and everybody knows that. All we got is our voice to speak freely please represent us as hard working folks who love our hounds and good people. You know I truly love UKC and what they have always stood for. Todd, Tanya, Allen, etc have always treated me as equal as my parents. So do I believe there out to get us no I don't, but I do believe there being fed some false information. Have they put me in a tuff position for the future yes they have and I'm sure there not concern about me and that's ok. I'm concerned about the future of coonhunting for my son/nephews/daughters/nieces and everyone else's children. They are our future. So if there going to listen to people who don't hunt and who don't register there dogs etc through and not to us that support them than it's hard for me but I'm going to half to do something. But I'm hoping and praying that they know something I don't and I can say I'm sorry I over reacted. But I just don't think that's the case. As always time will tell, but as for now I vote against the bill and against the ones who support it.

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Posted by Tailkicker on 02-26-2015 04:54 PM:

HB 154 Update

HB 154 - AMENDMENTS

HFA (1, J. Fischer) - Specify that cruelty to animals in the first degree only applies to canine or porcine animals, rather than all four-legged animals.
HFA (2, J. Hoover) - Delete "four-legged" from KRS 525.125 on cruelty to animals in the first degree to make all animal fighting activities a Class D felony, not just four-legged fighting; amend KRS 525.130 to conform, leaving vending and spectating at animal fights as a Class A misdemeanor.
HFA (3, J. Bell) - Specify that the hunting exception includes hunting hogs and bears.
HFA (4, G. Stumbo) - Specify that cruelty to animals in the first degree only applies to canines, rather than all four-legged animals.
Jan 8-introduced in House
Jan 9-to Judiciary (H)
Feb 3-posting waived
Feb 4-reported favorably, 1st reading, to Calendar; floor amendment (1) filed
Feb 5-2nd reading, to Rules; floor amendment (2) filed ; taken from Rules; placed in the Orders of the Day
Feb 11-floor amendment (1) withdrawn
Feb 12-floor amendment (3) filed
Feb 25-floor amendment (4) filed

Posted by Terry Dye on 02-26-2015 05:17 PM:

Take a lesson from our executive branch of the U.S government. Create civil discourse and infighting among the different classes of people ( HUNTERS, TRAPPERS, STILLHUNTERS, HOUNDSMEN, DEERHUNTERS, COONHUNTERS, BAITSITTERS, FREECASTERS ) Get the picture ? Our federal government is doing this to slowly and methodically tear down something that was once a great symbol of freedom throughout the world. If you dont stand up for your rights, we all lose. But we have to accompish our goals together, not fighting amongst ourselves. I can disagree with you and you me, but as long as we agree to have the same goals, we all win !

Posted by cliff flanders on 02-26-2015 06:25 PM:

Re: Wow

quote:
Originally posted by Bolden1
This has turn into houndsmen fighting against one another. We got to stick together if we want to free cast our dogs in the future in any state further more ky. Ky for a fact is the king at twisting the law into the way where which side has the most money. The humane society is loaded with money and everybody knows that. All we got is our voice to speak freely please represent us as hard working folks who love our hounds and good people. You know I truly love UKC and what they have always stood for. Todd, Tanya, Allen, etc have always treated me as equal as my parents. So do I believe there out to get us no I don't, but I do believe there being fed some false information. Have they put me in a tuff position for the future yes they have and I'm sure there not concern about me and that's ok. I'm concerned about the future of coonhunting for my son/nephews/daughters/nieces and everyone else's children. They are our future. So if there going to listen to people who don't hunt and who don't register there dogs etc through and not to us that support them than it's hard for me but I'm going to half to do something. But I'm hoping and praying that they know something I don't and I can say I'm sorry I over reacted. But I just don't think that's the case. As always time will tell, but as for now I vote against the bill and against the ones who support it.

AGREE I feel like UKC let us down I pray time will prove me wrong

Posted by Stan Ferrell on 02-26-2015 09:34 PM:

Will the UKC show up in Maine with the same passion and determination this spring. The HSUS is there right now trying for the third time to end Bear hunting.

Posted by thomasg on 02-28-2015 04:04 AM:

to everyone who read my post fighting cocks was not my agenda my first 4 words were once upon a time my intent was to show fellow hounds folks what dangers we all face in the future hsus will stop at nothing to see blue lights in the drive ways of all of us look at the attendance at the local hunts you attend now so very few of us left today looks like to me once upon a time is at hand and fighting and passing judgment on one another is no help to our cause redneck backwoods hick I will take that as a compliment lol

Posted by kyle moore on 02-28-2015 01:51 PM:

Re: Re: Wow

quote:
Originally posted by cliff flanders
AGREE I feel like UKC let us down I pray time will prove me wrong

I have prayed also and part of Matthew 15:14 says ,And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall in the ditch.

Posted by cliff flanders on 02-28-2015 11:22 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Wow

quote:
Originally posted by kyle moore
I have prayed also and part of Matthew 15:14 says ,And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall in the ditch.

Thanks KY HOUNDSMAN ASS. and everyone who helped we are not blind

Posted by Craig Harris on 03-01-2015 12:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bayemup34
Sounds like a bunch of five year olds sayin "what if this" and " what if that"

All these people are talkin about screw UKC, Im done with this, goin to $KC, so on and so forth. If you're doin that then go on and do it and save the rest of us from havin to hear it.

Glad you feel this way when Va is struggling every year keeping the right to hunt with a hound fighting these same organizations that are pushing to take your rights away and trying to stop the sale of fur

Posted by Craig Harris on 03-01-2015 12:28 PM:

Here are the people you are supporting

http://www.hfa.org/pdf/Corruption-RICO_Lawsuit-HSUS.pdf

Posted by Craig Harris on 03-01-2015 12:35 PM:

Here some more

http://www.awesomeocean.com/2014/07...charity-rating/

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