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Breed the fox hound type track dog to the hard treedog type strains within FR and you had it all. Check out Mears dogs. Look where Old FR Dan appears in relation to where Old FR Joe appears. You had to know when to make an outcross. Then go back to line breeding. A good outcross was Hickory Nut Harry, Preacher, Mundo. Check out the old FR pedigrees. Examples: Johnson's Danny Boy, FR Nite Hawk, FR Dan, Jr., FR Dan 3, FR Tom, FR Sonny, FR Banjo, Bennett Springs Bandit, Texas Rebel, FR Lonnie, FR Jeff, Nite Leader.

You know most of the Walkers that are registered today were not registered when the Walkers and Blueticks were split from the English. I think it is facinating when you can look at what a breeder or a group of breeders did to launch a strain of hounds. The problem is that many never kept notes and were very close mouthed about what they did and why they did it. Given the preponderence of the Finley River breeding in the hounds of today, you would have to say that Carsten and his lot were successful.

Looking at Preacher, I would have cherished a talk to his breeder. I understand from several sources that he was very close mouthed.

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Originally posted by Chiggers
That is exactly my experience also. Those old Finley River Dogs were great in their time but imo they would be sucking hind tit these days.

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Originally posted by TreeBrandKennel
THESE "OLD FINLEY RIVER" DOGS THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TOO WOULD NOT BE SUCKING THE "HIND TIT".... THEY WOULD BE PASSING BY ALL THESE SLICK TREEING "TREE DOGS" THAT EVERYONE IS BREEDING FOR NOWADAYS, AND HAVE THE MEAT!!!! I AGREE THEY MIGHT NOT BE AS FAST AS SOME OF THE STOCK NOWADAYS, BUT 99% OF THE TIME IT WONT BE A WASTE OF TIME WALKING TO SLICK TREES. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, IM NOT TRYING TO RUFFLE ANYONES FEATHERS...

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Originally posted by Coonhusker
Nice work Bill. I'm supprised at the amount of attention this thread has drawn. Wouldnt it be something to go back and hunt with some of these hounds mentioned.

I wondered also about the notion that F.R. bread hounds needed help on the tree. If they didnt, I think you'd have the recipe for the perfect hound. And it's getting that time of year again where the tracking is really becoming harder for them, not as many easier pop up coons to pick on. If only it was as easy as switching a button to pick what kind of hound you wished to hunt, that paticuilar night.

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i can remember the whole litter out of joe treeing
squirrels by the time they were 3mths old

Iv'e got a Whiteone out back that was treeing the barn cats at a dairy farm at the same age. I'm sure that many of us do. They don't bark 120 times a minute or anything like that, but they are fairly accurate at tracking and treeing and get the job done. They don't run for three miles on a straight line to tree a coon while bypassing numerous other coons either.

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i have some magazine articles on the old style hounds.... give me a e-mail or a fax number where i can send them too...

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Originally posted by wkfii
I think that what was relayed to me was that the tree power was not consistent within the strain. Some had it, and some did not. Probably because of the amount of running Walker stock that was being introduced.

Still from a strict standpoint, what would you all consider a Finley River hound? Almost all of today's hounds have some degree of Finley River. That includes the non-Walkers as well. LOL

I had been told that Preacher was one of those hounds who would consistently tree coons out of a corn field. Mr. Wick shared with me that Preacher allowed all the others to run into the field while he cruised around the perimeter with his head up and silent. He got most of the trees. LOL He kept repeating that the hound was smart. He would figure out what was needed and get the meat up the tree.

How can a hound that only sires 20 litters leave such a large imprint upon the breed?

Does a intelligent hound keep practicing, so to speak, and keep improving with age?

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I heard an interesting anecdote or story from another breeder. He told me that Brinkley named Preacher preacher because he was just like a preacher. If you quit passing the collection plate around a preacher will quit preaching.
Well if you did not give Preacher enough coons to chew on, he would quit hunting or preaching. LOL

I did not make the story up either.

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Originally posted by terry willford
Alot of the Lone Pine or "Casey" bred dogs hunt this way, Logans Wild Clover only sired 100+ pups and look at the imprint he has had on the breed.
I personally believe that an intelligent hound is the best hound. Each and every dog that was or is my favorite I feel has above average intelligence. I hated Lipper dogs until I found a female that was smart as any Ive come across. She was a really nice coon dog, had way more brains than ability and for the most part real accurate. I would not consider her "typical" of the lipper strain. I had a black & tan recently with a lot more ability than he had brains, the dog could constently tree coons but made alot of stupid mistakes. Right now I have 2 young dogs that have brains( when they use them) and ability but just dont seem to connect the 2.
The term "Finley River" any more has just become a brand used to sell pups. After reading this thread and the differant replies I dont feel it is a label that I will use anymore. I feel fortunate enough to know what I want in a hound now. There was a time when I thought I did but discovered magazine ads and night hunt titles sometimes werent worth the paper they were wrote on. Instead of the "finley river" brand I think Ill just use the term coon dog.

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Bill,

When you were talking to John W. did he mention a dog named "Ozark Tanner"? For some reason, I was thinking that Tanner was the sire of Preacher, but according to the Pedigree that you posted he is not? It must be the other way around.

The line of dog's that I had while I lived out in Ok. went back to Preacher, on the bottom side through my Whiskey dog who was 2 Generations removed from "Texas County Reverend" who was out of Preacher. This line of dog's, like someone mentioned above, had that RICH TAN running down one or more of their legs. To me, they were VERY SHARP looking dog's, or as some people would say, that they had alot of CHROME ON THEM. On the top side they went back to "Finley River Chief" through "Minkler's Kansas Rock" which was out of "Spring Creek Rock". The only year that I was able to try to go to the World Hunt, because I coached football, I placed 20th. with a female out of this line, in the 92 World Hunt. I really liked what I had, but I was getting older & didn't think that I should be raising another litter of pups, so they sort of fadded out. Alan Kalal said he had a dog that went back to some of that blood, may call him & try to get some of it back.

When Al Sanders from Cape Girardeau, Mo. (which is where I was living at the time) bought Finley River Chief from Herb Carsten, thats when I got to hunt with him a couple of nights. I could tell you something about him, but I'm going to let a sleeping dog lay there.

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Good judgement, is something that you get from using bad judgement.--Will Rogers

John, not all Finley River hounds are sainted and every one has weaknesses.

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Is Gr. Nt. Ch. Finley River Pete reproducing anything? I heard his littermate Boomer has some nice dogs on the ground.

Finley River Pete

I have a nice female out of Gr. Ch. Southfork River Jammin Duchess. She has a big male dog mouth. Bawl on track and ringing chop on tree. She is straight. Started easy. Handles. Hates a coon. Goes hunting. Good kill dog. She is a Gr. Ch. Finished easily and is a good looking dog.

Re: Finley River Pete

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Originally posted by Robert Starke
I have a nice female out of Gr. Ch. Southfork River Jammin Duchess. She has a big male dog mouth. Bawl on track and ringing chop on tree. She is straight. Started easy. Handles. Hates a coon. Goes hunting. Good kill dog. She is a Gr. Ch. Finished easily and is a good looking dog.

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I have a line bred Finley River female that I bought with the intentions of breeding to my GR. NT. male. I may consider parting with her if someone would be interested. I've only had her a couple of months. Due to come in heat in the next month or so. She's nine years old would be sold simply as a brood female. She originally came from Lonnie Mears. Spivey359@hotmail.com

DUCHESS

GR.CH. SOUTHFORK RIVER JAMMIN MUDAR

Re: DUCHESS

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Originally posted by Robert Starke
GR.CH. SOUTHFORK RIVER JAMMIN MUDAR

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How was Mundar bred? Didn't he go back to Gold Creek Mundo? Is that considered Fin Riv bred? Most of the Gold Creek Mundo dogs were gone when I got into hunting or at least I've never heard of many of them.

gold creek mundo was a johnson's banjo bred dog, if I remember right he went back to Coles Cache River Rebel, Diamond and was a grandson to Nick Digiacomos old Deacon dog, all of them went back to banjo.

Finley River Blood

After reading this post I was looking at a Seven Generation Pedigree of my dog Hardwood Pickles that I have and it looks like a road map of Finley River on the bottom half.

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GR.CH. SOUTHFORK RIVER JAMMIN MUNDAR

Has anyone ever hunted with this dog?
Was he a bawl mouth dog? Chop mouth?
I find it very hard to believe no one has hunted with this dog but yet he has quite a few offspring.