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Eric/Sam

See not ALL of the young guys can be judged alike, no more than ALL of the older hunters are alike. I grew up with some older hunters that knew nothing about what a COON DOG truly was, and some that SURE enough knew what a COON DOG WAS. I judge a man for what they are, young or old does not define the man, it's what's between his ears, just like a dog, some are way smarter than others. Dave

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Originally posted by nitehunter2004
JMO
Nailor, and we all know his bloodline but never talked about because a few people point at a shiny object in the other direction, Nailor was Big, Loud, Good looking, Lazy, Slick treeing son of a gun, he even died under a slick tree, then comes Nocturnal Style, then comes Trackman an Superman an the rest is history Or what you guys been talking about. JMO.

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Originally posted by Sfox91
To heck with that. I like a dog to make a tree or 2 a hour by itself resulting in plus points. Stays out of trouble, and don’t fill up a score card with circles and slicks.

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Originally posted by nitehunter2004
JMO
Nailor, and we all know his bloodline but never talked about because a few people point at a shiny object in the other direction, Nailor was Big, Loud, Good looking, Lazy, Slick treeing son of a gun, he even died under a slick tree, then comes Nocturnal Style, then comes Trackman an Superman an the rest is history Or what you guys been talking about. JMO.

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Originally posted by walkerfan
I could not agree more.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
And the same guys love rat and stylish Harry lol.


Tar

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I didn’t like either of them. But I wasent selling puppy’s I was getting paid to hunt them. But you can’t hardly find a dog to breed to that don’t have Harry , rat and lipper in them 4000 + pups can you wrap your mind around that ? If I could pick a dog that I could get a straw of seman off of it would be yadkin river Jeff.


Tar

I would love to have a straw off Finley River Chief. Could not afford it, but if we are going to wish might as well go big. Tar I agree with you on those dogs you was not a fan of. Was that politically correct. lmao

Roy probly not lol. But they wanted to know where the crazy comes from so I told them lol.


Tar

Re: Eric/Sam

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
See not ALL of the young guys can be judged alike, no more than ALL of the older hunters are alike. I grew up with some older hunters that knew nothing about what a COON DOG truly was, and some that SURE enough knew what a COON DOG WAS. I judge a man for what they are, young or old does not define the man, it's what's between his ears, just like a dog, some are way smarter than others. Dave

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Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...

I've been around these hounds awhile and even trained one or 2 to do something more productive than pee on a fence post... My take on the "big motor" "440" thing was I could always hunt a.... excessive energy 🤔.. dog down, but there's limited remedy to amp a lazy dog up. If your turning them loose once a week or once a month that isn't a big factor, but if you're going to be in the woods with them 300-350+ nights a year, it's a huge one. Jmo.

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I've been around these hounds awhile and even trained one or 2 to do something more productive than pee on a fence post... My take on the "big motor" "440" thing was I could always hunt a.... excessive energy 🤔.. dog down, but there's limited remedy to amp a lazy dog up. If your turning them loose once a week or once a month that isn't a big factor, but if you're going to be in the woods with them 300-350+ nights a year, it's a huge one. Jmo.

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I like mine wired 110 and tree every coon they get near.


110 runs almost everything in your house 24/7 how much power you want ?



Tar

Barking

I will say a little about kennel manners, I’ve hunted red dogs for over 20 years. Over all those years the hounds I’ve had you would never know I had a hound at my place!
Very good kennels manners , no barking !

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I like them charged with 220

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Originally posted by sleepy head
I like them charged with 220

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Curtis 220 is to many volts for hunting in Indiana.


Tar

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Originally posted by sleepy head
There can be a heavy amp draw in Indiana and 220 can come in handy. Like tonight would require some juice, a few inches of snow, single digits. Them 110 oky dogs ain't gonna get it

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I am impressed you went out in that ? 220 wouldn’t push the boat you would need to hunt down here I dug on a sewer line all day yesterday I can’t move lol.


Tar

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Tar and Sleepy your speaking my language now lol. Your house is actually fed with 240 volts, 120 volts on each hot leg. I like mine wired 34.5 KV, that's enough to power afew small towns, then you can use that middle button on the Alpha if you need to correct any funky voltages you get in emergency situations lol.

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Re: Disappointed in the New Generation.

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
I Here is where me and the coonhound world started to split. I wasn't going to put up with a lot of nonsense. While others were hunting dogs that put on a good show, made a lot of noise, treed a lot of trees. But the coon seemed to be missing from the hunt. Then into the new century 2000 till now. Most of the pups I have been around including mine have been crazy in the pen.
If you don't have heavy duty chain link they will eat it like grass. The will eat up the plastic 5 gallon buckets you use to water them. They will chew up any wood in their pens completely up and poop it out. Along with millions of dollars in bark collars being sold, the new generation of dogs is getting on my nerves. I don't think I will ever breed another dog and watch a litter I planned out with the top blood of the breed. Turn into idiots. Yea these idiots can tree a coon. But you don't get much peace around the house between hunts.

Am I the only one that sees things are changing with our young dogs? It is not specific breeding. It is a movement of the entire breeding world. Producing functioning dogs with bad manners around the house.

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Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...

Re: Disappointed in the New Generation.

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
I Here is where me and the coonhound world started to split. I wasn't going to put up with a lot of nonsense. While others were hunting dogs that put on a good show, made a lot of noise, treed a lot of trees. But the coon seemed to be missing from the hunt. Then into the new century 2000 till now. Most of the pups I have been around including mine have been crazy in the pen.
If you don't have heavy duty chain link they will eat it like grass. The will eat up the plastic 5 gallon buckets you use to water them. They will chew up any wood in their pens completely up and poop it out. Along with millions of dollars in bark collars being sold, the new generation of dogs is getting on my nerves. I don't think I will ever breed another dog and watch a litter I planned out with the top blood of the breed. Turn into idiots. Yea these idiots can tree a coon. But you don't get much peace around the house between hunts.

Am I the only one that sees things are changing with our young dogs? It is not specific breeding. It is a movement of the entire breeding world. Producing functioning dogs with bad manners around the house.

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Originally posted by Reuben
In the competition world it’s not about breeding the best all around coon dog...it’s about breeding the dog that wins and any cost...

Factor in the new technology of radio telemetry, shock collars and now Garmin Alpha systems and now we can breed dogs that can be toned in, tracked and shocked...so breeding isn’t as important as it used to be...

Used to be folks bred a dog they could keep up with...didn’t blow out of the country so they could keep up with the dog...also bred dogs that trail barked to help us keep track of them... but now we have the tracking systems so not as important to breed a certain way...Two things come to mind...back then hunters bred dogs that hunted with them and dogs that didn’t hunt with them got culled by not breeding them or they became lost and sometimes not found...so they eliminated themselves from the breeding program...

Then we have the bad trash runners...can’t keep them from running deer but the shock collar can reach out and touch a deer runner...after so many times he is finally broken from it with the shock collar...

Then in the kennel this dog is barking like crazy and we put a bark collar on him to quiet him down and it is frustrating because we have to put it back on him after a week of having it off...

When we have to use this equipment to the extreme then we can bet the offspring will have those traits more often than not...and the problem compounds...

I say breed dogs with natural ability...setup testing for the pups to see who naturally winds, which one naturally makes a big loop in the woods the first time out and also that he checks in...not all pups will do these things right away but those that do should be considered as breeders...of course it is only part of the big picture...

Again...breed for natural ability with minimal use of shocking to make a hunting dog...

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Yep. It's like marrying a beautiful woman who has had $500,000 worth of plastic surgery . You're probably gonna get some ugly kids.

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